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re: Are Martin and Mickey at the NBA Combine?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 7:26 am to monsterballads
Posted on 5/15/15 at 7:26 am to monsterballads
I wouldn't worry about Mickey's size. There are plenty of NBA "bigs" that get minutes at 6-7, 6-8 and 6-9.
He may not be a starter, but I don't know that he really projected as one anyway.
He may not be a starter, but I don't know that he really projected as one anyway.
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:21 am to rzd30
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While 6'7 and him being a low post prospect is concerning, there are some guys that just go out there and perform and he is one of them.
We have a lot of posters than really went hard at the guy for leaving early but it was the right choice.
As anyone that has watched games throughout the NBA there has been quite a few teams go to small ball lineups, granted Mickey does not fit the role of the big, but talent is talent, he should and probably will get drafted. Euro stash for 2 years or he could fluctuate between the D-league and 10 day callups next year, all a matter of preferan
He is a bench role player from day 1.
If he would have come back and develop a little better on man wing defense and a 15 foot jumper he would be first round. Hell maybe lottery.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:16 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:All in 29 minutes of play. I saw words like "monster" and "unreal" used to describe him. Not too shabby.
According to Chad Ford, Mickey had 17 (7 of 12, 3 of 9 at the line), 8 boards and 8 blocks
Day 1 Takeaways
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:24 am to mmcgrath
Some seriously impressive stats right there. 17-8-8 is just unreal against top competition.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:29 am to SouthOfSouth
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Some seriously impressive stats right there. 17-8-8 is just unreal against top competition.
This evaluation of drafting M&M has been a roller coaster ride. I am hoping that both get great mentions for Day 2.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:34 am to BallChamp00
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He is a bench role player from day 1.
If he makes a roster then it was absolutely the right move on his part
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If he would have come back and develop a little better on man wing defense and a 15 foot jumper he would be first round. Hell maybe lottery.
No, he'd still have the height limitations. He's far more likely to develop that in the NBA too.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:44 am to BallChamp00
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I have and a key attribute of his is weak side defense. He plays it as good as anyone. If he could play on man wing defense we wouldn't be talking about him as he would be a first rounder. His basketball iq is very high.
His weakside defense isn't very good either. He sells out and end up giving easy put backs or lobs if he doesn't get the block. As a weakside defender, you have to be more discerning than he is.
That said, he has plenty of skills. I would be surprised if he went undrafted.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:58 am to mmcgrath
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This evaluation of drafting M&M has been a roller coaster ride. I am hoping that both get great mentions for Day 2.
Martin gives you more "potential", but Mickey was clearly the consistently better player at LSU over their two years here. Frankly, I'm not surprised at all with his numbers from the scrimmage. He constantly put up those numbers at LSU. If Martin would have played I think you would have seen flashes of great play, but for the large part him disappearing. He was great at the beginning and middle of games, but it seemed like he was no where to be found when a big game was on the line at the end. (Go back and watch UK and NC State for the two most glaring examples)
Martin's ceiling is higher but it is going to take a good bit of time (IMO) to get him there if he ever does get there.
Mickey is much closer to a "finished product", but despite his height limitations, he can likely step onto a team and give them something next year. I not so confident that is the case for Martin.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:20 am to Alt26
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, but Mickey was clearly the consistently better player at LSU over their two years here.
Martin was easily better last year IMO. He was ridiculous at the end of the year too
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Mickey is much closer to a "finished product", but despite his height limitations, he can likely step onto a team and give them something next year. I not so confident that is the case for Martin.
I think you have this backwards
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:30 am to Alt26
Your evaluation. 
Posted on 5/15/15 at 3:12 pm to TigerBait1127
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Martin was easily better last year IMO. He was ridiculous at the end of the year too
Martin was certainly better in the the last half of SEC play, but that was the only time in 2 years that he was the better player of the two. For their careers Mickey averaged more points, more rebounds, more blocks, and a better FG %
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I think you have this backwards
How so? Mickey's offensive game could definitely improve (along with his on ball defense) but he's much closer to his ceiling than Martin. He'll never be an NBA all-star, but he could definitely come in next year and give a team some help protecting the rim and rebounding for a few minutes off the bench.
Martin is clearly the better prospect, but he really doesn't do anything exceptionally well right now. He's not a great 3 point shooter. He's inconsistent on his jumpshot. He handles the ball well for his size, but many times he is reluctant to attack the basket. When he does get to the rim he finishes low. While he was able to finish in college, can he do it at the NBA level? He's also not a great passer or defender right now.
Nonetheless, you can't teach his size or athleticism. That's why he is the better prospect. That's why he'll be drafted higher. That's why if they both reach their full potential he'll have the much better career. However, I have a hard time seeing him make much of an impact for anyone early on. He is very much still a raw work in progress and he's reluctant to step up in big spots.
Put on the tapes of three of his best games last season: UK, Ark, and NC State. Despite being a monster for the first 3/4 of the game, he was nowhere to be found in crunch time. He was the best player on the court (for either team) against UK, but when LSU needed him he only took 1 shot in the final 9:00 of play and scored 0 points. Same story against NC State where he only took 2 shots in the final 9:00 and scored 2 points while the big lead and season evaporated. Even against Ark, which was arguably the best game of his LSU career, it was Hornsby/Quarterman/Paterson taking and hitting big shots in the final 5:00 to win that game.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 3:47 pm to Dylan
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Did you ever watch Mickey play on ball defense? He was horrible at defense, an elite shot blocker, but not a great defender. So many people see the shot blocks, but don't actually sit and watch him defend.
This description also fits Anthony Davis, yet nobody complains about his defense. Today's NBA is a driving and cutting league, and help defense for big guys is possibly more important than on ball d. Compare the number of elite scorers in the league who are slashers to those who are post up big men and you'll see what I mean. There's always room for a bouncy shot blocker, even at 6'7", in the NBA.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:42 pm to BigOrangeWave
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This description also fits Anthony Davis, yet nobody complains about his defense.
eh, only because they don't want to bitch about the 3rd best player in the league who is blowing away all projections....... ADs defensive game definitely leaves something to be desired for that exact reason. Pelicans were a bottom 5-10 defense in the league even with Asik, an elite defensive center and Jrue, a great perimeter defender.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 9:58 pm to therick711
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His weakside defense isn't very good either. He sells out and end up giving easy put backs or lobs if he doesn't get the block. As a weakside defender, you have to be more discerning than he is.
That said, he has plenty of skills. I would be surprised if he went undrafted.
It's the top weak side defense in the draft. Lol.
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