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re: Are expectations so low now, that some are legit upset at talk of getting a proven coach?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:10 pm to CelticDog
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:10 pm to CelticDog
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On that basis saban failed last year.
Your criterion is therefore wrong.
Um, Saban won the SEC last year. And has won several championships before. What a lazy attempt at a gotcha.
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Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:18 pm to Damone
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Dabo won his division twice in his first three years,
Yet you would have screamed and yelled because he was an unqualified hire.
Go back and look at Dabo's record his first three years
BTW: He was damn near fired after season two. He lost 16 games his first three seasons after the interim tag was removed. Sometimes hires that look bad turn out well. Would you now say he was a good hire?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:22 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Jimbos average record/year was 10&3 while coaching fsu. The only reason he won a championship in 2013 is because Auburn got lucky as frick to beat both Alabama and Georgia on fluke plays. Either one of those teams would have kicked fsu's arse. Not saying coach O will win championships but I'm pulling for him like all Tiger fans should but saying jimbo is all that is just inaccurate. Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Dabo won his division in year one. O lost to Troy. Stop trying to make an equivalence where there is none.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:48 pm to Damone
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Dabo won his division in year one.
With a 9-5 record
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Stop trying to make an equivalence where there is none.
Right, they're in the ACC. We're not.
If LSU were in the ACC, no telling how many "division titles" we would have.
Was he a good hire? No coordinator experience...
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet you would have screamed and yelled because he was an unqualified hire.
What part of "Dabo won his division twice in his first three years" do you not get?
You know how you prove you're a qualified hire? Win your division, it's that simple.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:29 pm to Goldrush25
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What part of "Dabo won his division twice in his first three years" do you not get?
What part of "He hadn't won anything or been a coordinator before he was hired" do you not get?
You whine incessantly about Orgeron not being the most qualified, yet are proving my point that sometimes candidates can prove their hires after the fact.
Orgeron has a better record after two years than Dabo by a long shot.
Dabo's conference division "titles" were nothing more than being in a weak arse division.
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You know how you prove you're a qualified hire? Win your division, it's that simple
So after all this time about whining that Orgeron was a terrible hire, you think he can retroactively change that by winning a division. This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:31 pm to Goldrush25
Expectations are low. LSU’s going to blow out Texas then they’re going say Orgeron needs to win it all with this talent or he’s a flop. That’s how fans roll at the Rant.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:35 pm to RobbBobb
Well I would say it has something to do with the momentum and national recruiting that’s going on right now that coach O waited patiently to produce. Too early and you’re laughed at. Too late and well no one likes to be late to the party.
He times things pretty damn good and I’ve been watching closely. Yes he’s made some mistakes that others may have learned from already but is his ceiling higher than any other SEC coaches? Kinda like Dabo? He’s just getting started and needed just the slightest momentum to do what he’s now doing nationally.
If he keeps that up and lands the DLman projected to land while also getting a couple of top 10 OTs then there’s just no way that he isn’t in the playoffs soon. So STFU and watch. I don’t and never did want that snake jimbo. Another coach will be available if O doesn’t work out and LSU will be right there ready for take off because he’s at least stacking the roster with elite talent across the board.
If LSU doesn’t improve this year and we seem to sputter then LSU should be looking for a replacement after this season. I’ll go with that but people need to STFU until after this season. O has done a decent job given what he had at LSU at the time.
He times things pretty damn good and I’ve been watching closely. Yes he’s made some mistakes that others may have learned from already but is his ceiling higher than any other SEC coaches? Kinda like Dabo? He’s just getting started and needed just the slightest momentum to do what he’s now doing nationally.
If he keeps that up and lands the DLman projected to land while also getting a couple of top 10 OTs then there’s just no way that he isn’t in the playoffs soon. So STFU and watch. I don’t and never did want that snake jimbo. Another coach will be available if O doesn’t work out and LSU will be right there ready for take off because he’s at least stacking the roster with elite talent across the board.
If LSU doesn’t improve this year and we seem to sputter then LSU should be looking for a replacement after this season. I’ll go with that but people need to STFU until after this season. O has done a decent job given what he had at LSU at the time.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What part of "He hadn't won anything or been a coordinator before he was hired" do you not get?
But he won immediately after he was hired.
No one's saying that you have to be a coordinator first. If you get results, all is well.
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Orgeron has a better record after two years than Dabo by a long shot.
Dabo's conference division "titles" were nothing more than being in a weak arse division.
The coach here won 7 games in his first two years combined. What the hell are you talking about?
Oh I forget, you're comparing one guy's first job to another guy's third job.
What are you using quotations for? His division titles don't count?
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:41 pm to Goldrush25
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But he won immediately after he was hired.
He went 9-5 after he was hired
Then 6-7 the next year
Winning his division doesn't mean much in the ACC Atlantic division.
So, just to understand what youre saying, is Orgeron was not a bad hire if he wins his division this year after screaming for two years he was a bad hire..
Just trying to keep these moving goalposts in focus.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Winning his division doesn't mean much in the ACC Atlantic division.
Says who? You?
How do you get to decide which division titles mean anything when the coach here has zero?
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So, just to understand what youre saying, is Orgeron may not be a bad hire if he wins his division this year.
Meh, let's see him do it first and then we'll discuss.
I would be inclined to say yes, but I'm not in the business of giving someone credit for something before they've done it. I know you love participation trophies but I don't.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:43 pm to Goldrush25
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Says who? You?
How do you get to decide which division titles mean anything
Pretty much anyone. Anyone who knows anything about the sport.
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Meh, let's see him do it first and then we'll discuss.
Avoid answering a very simple and direct question. If LSU wins the division title this year, Orgeron will be a "good hire" in your mind? Can't have you having double standards.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Winning an FCS conference title is more impressive than not winning anything.
Win something, that's all I ask.
Win something, that's all I ask.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:46 pm to Goldrush25
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Winning an FCS conference title is more impressive than not winning anything.
Sure
So if LSU wins the West next year you'll be all in for Orgeron and think he was a great here.
Good to know.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So if LSU wins the West next year you'll be all in for Orgeron and think he was a great here.
If he wins the SEC, I'll say he's a good coach.
I don't know why you want to hear that he was a good hire. Alleva conducted a shitty search and found a coach whose prior results would suggest that he's not suited for this job. Those circumstances will not ever change.
If you frick up the hiring process and experience fortuitous results in spite of the frick up, that doesn't somehow make it a good decision. If he was that good why wasn't he the first choice?
You close your eyes, pick a stock, invest your life savings in the stock and become a millionaire in the process. Does that mean you made a good decision? Come on brother, think.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:55 pm to Goldrush25
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If he wins the SEC, I'll say he's a good coach.
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Oh...look at the shifting and waffling.
My my, you've put yourself in a corner and exposed your double standard.
But Dabo's two division titles in three years, with 16 losses make him a good hire according to you......
You would have been in the line wanting his arse fired.
Screaming and yelling about the process and hiring a position coach who had a losing season in year 2
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:01 pm to La Place Mike
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He was assistant head coach for two championship teams.
You know there's a reason most people around here don't mention Orgeron and USC's championships in the same breath. You might want to rethink your strategy.
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Ed Orgeron - USC 1998–2004 (Recruiting coordinator)
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Shortly after the NCAA handed out its penalties, the Football Writers Association of America announced it would no longer recognize the Trojans as its 2004 national champion. In June 2011, the Bowl Championship Series stripped the Trojans of the 2004 BCS title. Also, Reggie Bush is the first person in the Heisman Trophy's history to give his trophy back to the Heisman Trust.
Dirty recruiting isn't something he probably wants attention drawn to. Especially with his similar shenanigans involving La. players Jansen Jackson and Joe McKnight
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:08 pm to BayouBengal99
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but people need to STFU until after this season
This is the exact same logic that was used in removing Miles. Wait until all the other coaches are scooped up, before we start the discussion.
That's how we ended up with Orgeron.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:09 pm to La Place Mike
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He was assistant head coach for two championship teams
Lol.. I guess this is the new talking point for sycophant O supporters..
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