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re: Anyone else lose some respect for Miles?
Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:54 am to YouAre8Up
Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:54 am to YouAre8Up
It is so easy to make a judgement from the outside looking in. I have never walked in his shoes. I have questioned some of his play calling. I have questioned his clock management. I have even questioned his use of the "English" language. But as far as his handling discipline... I will not go there. I have never walked in his shoes. I do think his handling of curfew needs to be addressed. He definitely needs some assistant coaches to visit Shady's and The Varsity after curfew hours or put a few PI's on the clock to let him know when to haul his boys in. Lease seems to be too long. Stop it before it starts again.
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:56 am to victoire sécurisé
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2008, Starting QB dismissed
And best player on the team - virtually unheard of elsewhere for a coach to do that.
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2012, Heisman Finalist dismissed
Ditto.
In both cases, the young men had multiple chances and squandered them.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:57 am to EveryonesACoach
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that changed for me some with him not laying out some form of suspension yesterday
Well, I think you have put yourself in Miles shoes and in Hills shoes with all the facts.. Then think about, "what would I do?"
The media is not giving you all the facts about Hill's prior probation and you probably have based an opinion off one side of the story.
Question:
Does suspending HIll from the team the last 4 months ago count for any punishment in your mind? Miles did that you know...already...He didn't wait for the legal system to play out, he took Hill off the team..
Missed all team meetings, weight lifting, interaction with the players etc... and not knowing the outcome of this legal issue.
In my mind, Hill has been under a lot of pain thus far...
2ndly, Miles/LSU/Hill just learned yesterday what the legal outcome will be moving forward.
Miles wants to think about the recent development...and he indicated he would call on people he respects and get their opinion, but ultimately he make the call..
and lastly, Miles doesn't owe any of us an "outline" of Hill's punishment..
Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:59 am to YouAre8Up
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The multiple failed drug screens and multiple chances that he got?
He kicked off the best player in the program and it cost us a national title in 2012. He did the same with Perilloux and it cost us a title in 2009.
So if you're keeping track at home, that's two national titles Miles has passed on to uphold his values. He hasn't lost any respect from this guy.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:59 am to EveryonesACoach
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Anyone else lose some respect for Miles?
No. His actions were reasonable. Hill doesn't deserve a draconian punishment for a routine misdemeanor bar fight which was likely instigated by the so-called victim.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:00 pm to EveryonesACoach
Less respect you.. Post less! 
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:02 pm to EveryonesACoach
I've actually gained respect for Miles
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:03 pm to EveryonesACoach
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I don't think he's "lost control of the team" or any crap like that. But for a guy who is always painted as a family man with great moral character, I think he comes off as more worried about winning with his lack of action yesterday.
bullshite.
First I believe Miles has a true concern for these kids future and I believe that Miles is doing what is best for these kids, NOT THE TEAM.
The very fact that Miles is a "family man" is the reason he reinstated Hill. You keep Hill in the "program" so you can "teach" him on a daily basis. Daily contact with mentors while he serves his probation will give Hill a better chance of staying out of trouble, learning from past mistakes and building character.
Miles loves his kids and treats them like sons. It took forever to kick RP off the team and he gave TM many chances before kicking him off. The same line Miles drew in the sand for RP and TM I'm sure is drawn in the sand for Hill and if Hill crosses that line, it's really out of Mile's hands at that point.
Kids, simply by the fact that they are at a learning institution deserve some mercy and second chances, if you will, especially when the kid is repentant and contrite like Hill. Hill needs a chance to redeem himself. Miles is giving him that chance and it's the right thing to do.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:06 pm to EveryonesACoach
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I'm generally a Miles guy. I don't think he goes without criticism (1/9, clock management fiasco, etc.) but I believe he's done an excellent job with this program and have always respected how he's handled issues with players.
That changed for me some with him not laying out some form of suspension yesterday. The Hill story has become too big to not do SOMETHING. Even if he would have confirmed that Hill would be missing a yet undecided amount of game time, to be determined internally, that would have been fine.
I don't think he's "lost control of the team" or any crap like that. But for a guy who is always painted as a family man with great moral character, I think he comes off as more worried about winning with his lack of action yesterday. Thoughts?
Coach Miles made a good point yesterday. We as human beings are flawed. No one is perfect, and we all make multiple bad decisions at some point in our lives. For most it's when they are younger like Hill, for some its when they are older. Hill did something wrong, and has been punished since it happened. 9am to 6pm curfew, additional probation, added comunity service, separation from the team, and whatever additional punishments from the staff. The young man committed a misdemeanor of punching someone after some type of altercation(not condoning the act)and people want to label him a menace to society. If that's what people consider a criminal or out of control individual, they need to watch the new orleans local news. I think Miles has the insight to recognize the difference between a young man who is far gone true criminal, and a kid who has made some mistakes, but is not a criminal or danger to society. I think Miles is giving this yong man an opprtunity to make a success of his life not only as a player, but as a person. I repsect Miles for allowing him back on the team, and not caving to the cries of the media who know little to nothing about Hill as an individual, or the circumstances. Getting kicked out of school could have very well sent his life in a downward spiral. This decision may have just saved his future, and that shows a side of Miles moral character.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:07 pm to The312
The legal system didn't think the offense warranted jail time and I certainly don't know all of the facts to say if that decision was right or wrong. But it's the sentence that was given. I think LSU has the right to suspend him or not, but doesn't have to do anything extra in the name of justice. He's cleared to play by NCAA rules. If he gets a suspension or not, I'll be OK with the decision because in the end, I don't think a suspension will actually prevent another occurance by him or anyone else. It might just make some of the fan base more acceptable to the legal verdict. Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:09 pm to hawkway
the good news is Johnny Football is dominating the airwaves
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:10 pm to EveryonesACoach
I guess if you took more time to seek to understand what went down ( as CLM did) you wouldn't be crying now. Don't listen to the guys at the water cooler. Dude who got clocked is a douche and has been in tons of fights. Don't get caught up in the morality police as fights happen every weekend at most college bars. Think it through and you will see CLM probably has all the facts and isn't compromising like you think.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:12 pm to la champ1
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Coach Miles made a good point yesterday. We as human beings are flawed. No one is perfect, and we all make multiple bad decisions at some point in our lives. For most it's when they are younger like Hill, for some its when they are older. Hill did something wrong, and has been punished since it happened. 9am to 6pm curfew, additional probation, added comunity service, separation from the team, and whatever additional punishments from the staff. The young man committed a misdemeanor of punching someone after some type of altercation(not condoning the act)and people want to label him a menace to society. If that's what people consider a criminal or out of control individual, they need to watch the new orleans local news. I think Miles has the insight to recognize the difference between a young man who is far gone true criminal, and a kid who has made some mistakes, but is not a criminal or danger to society. I think Miles is giving this yong man an opprtunity to make a success of his life not only as a player, but as a person. I repsect Miles for allowing him back on the team, and not caving to the cries of the media who know little to nothing about Hill as an individual, or the circumstances. Getting kicked out of school could have very well sent his life in a downward spiral. This decision may have just saved his future, and that shows a side of Miles moral character.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:13 pm to EveryonesACoach
Hill went through a team ban dude. Not one football player was allowed to speak to him. He is on a last chance and If he messes up... He is off the team for good.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:13 pm to EveryonesACoach
He punched a dude. From what I hear the guy was picking fights with everyone. Buddy of mine chased the dude around tiger land 10 minutes before Hill sucker punched him. There's a fight in tiger land every night just about. Big deal. I can't believe this has blown up to where people are hating on Miles and Hill.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:13 pm to EveryonesACoach
I've gained respect for Miles. He's handling this on his own terms and is not letting anyone outside of the locker room persuade his decision.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:13 pm to EveryonesACoach
You have to have respect in order to lose it.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:14 pm to EveryonesACoach
I have lost no respect for Miles.
He has one of the highest graduation rates in SEC.
Source:
Graduation Rates
Since 2010, he has had less players arrested (6) than Missouri (18), Florida (17), Georgia (15), Arkansas (12), Ole Miss (11), Auburn (9), Kentucky (9), and Alabama (7).
Source:
SEC Football Arrests
He has a history of kicking star players off the team (Perriloux & Mathieu).
He has one of the highest graduation rates in SEC.
Source:
Graduation Rates
Since 2010, he has had less players arrested (6) than Missouri (18), Florida (17), Georgia (15), Arkansas (12), Ole Miss (11), Auburn (9), Kentucky (9), and Alabama (7).
Source:
SEC Football Arrests
He has a history of kicking star players off the team (Perriloux & Mathieu).
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:14 pm to EveryonesACoach
Hell no, I'm proud of the fact that he's willing to take this kind of heat for what is really a first offense at LSU for this kid. Anybody that thinks he's hiding behind the unity council has probably never put on a pad before. That's just part of team building.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 12:15 pm to EveryonesACoach
Absolutely not.
The man has dismissed:
The 2007 SECCG MVP and probable 2008 and 2009 A-A and maybe even Heisman hopeful,
The 2011 National Defensive Player and Heisman finalist,
Derrick Odom
Kyle Anderson
And suspended JJ for half the season, along with Ware, Simon and Mathieu.
Most of them had more chances than Hill.
Hill has been: arrested, suspended from the team with no contact for 4 months, charged medical bills, and is confined to school and football for TWO years. And he will probably miss a fourth of the football season.
The man has dismissed:
The 2007 SECCG MVP and probable 2008 and 2009 A-A and maybe even Heisman hopeful,
The 2011 National Defensive Player and Heisman finalist,
Derrick Odom
Kyle Anderson
And suspended JJ for half the season, along with Ware, Simon and Mathieu.
Most of them had more chances than Hill.
Hill has been: arrested, suspended from the team with no contact for 4 months, charged medical bills, and is confined to school and football for TWO years. And he will probably miss a fourth of the football season.
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