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re: Anonymous opposing coaches talk LSU
Posted on 5/25/19 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/25/19 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And no breakaway RB. Yep I'm stoked.
Correct. No home run threat to crowd the box for.
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 11:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I find it odd that thinking we improved toward the end of the year, and that this could be a record breaking offensive season is considered controversial on this board.
Really?
You think it's weird that people saw an offense that ranked in the 100s for the better part of last year and aren't convinced that it's going to be a record-breaking offense this year?
I guess most reasonable folks think that you improve in stages. You don't typically go from one of the worst in college to one of the best overnight. Like anything these things usually take time.
I think top 40 in offense is a realistic goal.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/25/19 at 11:34 am to Goldrush25
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You think it's weird that people saw an offense that ranked in the 100s for the better part of last year and aren't convinced that it's going to be a record-breaking offense this year?
You can usually separate band members from football players by the ones who can't see that the offense is set for a great season.
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I guess most reasonable folks think that you improve in stages.
That's generally not how sports work. Gradual improvement is made over a season, dramatic improvement can be made from year to year. 2012-2013 is a prime example.
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I think top 40 in offense is a realistic goal.
It would be disappointing to not finish in the top 40 for sure. I think a top 40 offense and top 15 defense can win titles.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/25/19 at 11:46 am to Goldrush25
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I think top 40 in offense is a realistic goa
Given that they were ranked 125th in returning offensive production last year, top 40 is very realistic with most everyone back.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's generally not how sports work. Gradual improvement is made over a season, dramatic improvement can be made from year to year. 2012-2013 is a prime example.
That wasn't a dramatic improvement. Have you looked at the statistics? I did before I even posted my last post because I knew predictably you'd go there.
The 2012 offense was not great but certainly not dreadful like our 2018 offense. What we did in 2013 was a natural progression.
Dramatic changes can happen with an offense overnight but that's typically with a change in coaching staff, like Scott Frost and UCF going from 90s in total offense to top 10.
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You can usually separate band members from football players by the ones who can't see that the offense is set for a great season.
This is sad, even for you. Stop embarrassing yourself by using these primitive "appeal to accomplishment" tactics. Try to reach a higher level of discourse.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:43 pm to Goldrush25
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. Try to reach a higher level of discourse
This is pitiful. Negas have plenty of good advice for other people yet refuse to take their own advice.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:47 pm to bencoleman
Hope you’re having a nice Saturday Ben. It’s getting hot, fall camp is near 
Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:59 pm to Goldrush25
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What we did in 2013 was a natural progression.
Lets just make stuff up to fit our narrative. There can be no discourse at all when you're just throwing stuff against the wall..
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What we did in 2013 was a natural progression.
Lets just make stuff up to fit our narrative. There can be no discourse at all when you're just throwing stuff against the wall
But bringing back all of the experience in 2019 wouldn't be a natural progression. Making sense of nega logic is most difficult.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:04 pm to The First Cut
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Given that they were ranked 125th in returning offensive production last year, top 40 is very realistic with most everyone back.
Easily. Again, it would be disappointing otherwise.
Outside of RB, this is a very experience group. RB is one of the easier positions to make the HS/University jump.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:33 pm to bencoleman
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But bringing back all of the experience in 2019 wouldn't be a natural progression. Making sense of nega logic is most difficult.
I think what he is saying is that it would take more than simply natural progression to go from our offensive production of 2018 to a "record-breaking" offense (I would want to know exactly what Roger means by "record-breaking" as well, for the record). I personally wouldn't call 2012-2013 simply a natural progression, as 2013 was Cam's first year as OC. In any event, let's look at some numbers from 2018 as compared to 2012 and how it progressed to 2013:
Points per game:
2018: 32.4 (7th in SEC)
2012: 29.8 (8th in SEC)
2013: 35.8 (6th in SEC)
Yards per game:
2018 402.1 (9th in SEC)
2012: 374.2 (10th in SEC)
2013: 453.3 (7th in SEC)
Yards per play:
2018: 5.5 (12th in SEC)
2012: 5.5 (10th in SEC)
2013: 6.9 (4th in SEC)
In a nutshell, our 2012 and 2018 offenses were fairly similar going simply off of these stats. I think we will see some improvement next year for sure. Can we make the big jump that we did from 2012 to 2013? Hard to say. I think that depends on exactly how much of a shift in philosophy Brady brings to the table (and if those changes actually work and are actually helpful) and if our freshmen RBs are up to the task to improve our running game. Will we be a "record breaking offense" next year? I probably wouldn't put money on it, but we don't need to be record breaking. We really just need to be more efficient and do better in the red zone.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RB is one of the easier positions to make the HS/University jump.
It’s the easiest. Top 40 offense in 2019 is an easily achieved goal considering all that’s coming back and the fact that LSU gets a serious upgrade at the easiest transition position - RB.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:39 pm to The First Cut
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Given that they were ranked 125th in returning offensive production last year, top 40 is very realistic with most everyone back.
Why does anyone down vote this?Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:40 pm to Goldrush25
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Dramatic changes can happen with an offense overnight but that's typically with a change in coaching staff, like Scott Frost and UCF going from 90s in total offense to top 10.
This is precisely the key element needed for a dramatic offensive improvement to become a reality this season. The offense should evolve into a more productive and efficient unit compared to its former self but expecting a totally transformed record setting offense isn't realistic.
The posters you're conversing with can't understand this because logical reasoning eludes them. An offensive unit with mostly the same players and the same coaches who are running the same system are now expected to be one of the SEC's best offenses.
I believe that the addition of new asst coach Brady with a more experienced Burrow and offensive unit as a whole will prove to be a more productive offense in 2019. I'm sure Rog and the crew will be here shortly to dispute this claim and assert that LSU's offense is poised for elite status in the SEC.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:43 pm to Goldrush25
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The 2012 offense was not great but certainly not dreadful like our 2018 offense
2012 yards per game:
Passing - 200.5
Rushing - 173.7
2018 yards per game
Passing - 228.5
RRushing - 173.6
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:50 pm to The First Cut
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2012 yards per game:
Passing - 200.5
Rushing - 173.7
2018 yards per game
Passing - 228.5
RRushing - 173.6
Jeremy Hill
Spencer Ware
Kenny Hilliard
Michael Ford
Zach Mettenberger
Alfred Blue
J.C. Copeland
Russell Shepard
Terrence Magee
Jarvis Landry
Odell Beckham Jr.
Kadron Boone
James Wright
With these skill position players.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
These kids are delusional.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:56 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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I believe that the addition of new asst coach Brady with a more experienced Burrow and offensive unit as a whole will prove to be a more productive offense in 2019. I
why would they dispute that? That is what they have been saying.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:17 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It’s interesting that before the coaching change LSU passing offenses were compared to Bama, Florida, Auburn, Ohio State, Florida State and on and on,
Miles’ passing games compared to these teams?
Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:26 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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An offensive unit with mostly the same players and the same coaches who are running the same system are now expected to be one of the SEC's best offenses
This is where your limited intellect fails you. The offense that you will see in 2019 will be much different than the 2018 offense. The fact that you can't grasp it shouldn't surprise anyone.
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