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Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:32 am to just me
also, the usual suspects would be blaming JJ for the errant snap that gave UO 3 points, and the fumbled snap that Ware saved our arse on before we scored in 3rd qtr.
Lee was good enough to win and thats what matters. I would welcome JJ back and leave it to Miles/Krag as who they feel gives us best chance to win.
Lee was good enough to win and thats what matters. I would welcome JJ back and leave it to Miles/Krag as who they feel gives us best chance to win.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:35 am to OBUDan
quote:Spot on.
My personal stance is to hope for the best and expect the worst (exactly how I would feel with Jefferson in there). I have very little optimism that either of those two will give us anything more than what we've seen of them the past 4 years.
I was very happy with JL after the Oregon game. My biggest fear was the pick6 and the fan base would bash him forever.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:36 am to OBUDan
LOL...I actually thought we were going to get an objective thread...then I see being crictical of a 20 yard pass in stride over the middle that his head high (but by this guy considered making him leave his feet)....I quit right there....this isn't objective...period...and I dont even know what side of the fence this guy falls on....but, I get a good idea now.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:36 am to OBUDan
I agree with most of your analysis. Great post. I think Lee will be fine. We're not expecting him to be amazing. If he comes out and makes decent throws, he'll do just fine. The WRs have to help him out some though, this is college, not pros. Lee isn't Brees, he's not going to put it on the money every single time (believe it or not, neither do pro QBs!). He did put it on the receivers hands a few times. Poorly thrown or not, if it hits the receiver in the hands (note: not fingertips, in the palms) that should be a catch. There were 3-4 that it hit them in the hands. To give benefit of the doubt, the Ducks secondary had tight coverage on our WRs all night, for the most part.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:43 am to faxis
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Lee will win a NC.
and you will still have kids on here bashing lee.....it's kind of funny really. They call theirselves fans, yet they are booing and adding to the lack of confidence of the guy (which is all he is missing right now). All these kids keep saying throw off the back foot....I'd rather that than a deer n headlights look.....One thing I have learned on here, these 18-22 year old kids think they know it all.....one day they will learn that they actually know very little....
Right now Lee is going to struggle with confidence, although it was 3 years ago, it is still in his mind. He is more concerned about a pic 6 than just playing ball....and who can blame him with these kind of people out there looking to criticize any and everything. If he is allowed to build up his confidence...he could be very good...without out it, it is like a golfer standing over a 6 foot putt with no confidence...probably not gonna end well.....I'm pulling for the kid bigtime...would be a great story. Wish JJ and his friends would stay off of here in ripping Lee.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:48 am to lctiger
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I would welcome JJ back and leave it to Miles/Krag as who they feel gives us best chance to win.
This, I do not doubt one bit. Screw what it does to the team or to controversy....just bring back JJ so we can go back to option, deer n headlight crap. We have VERY GOOD RUNNING BACKS to run the ball, which they showed on Saturday night...we don't need JJ doing that. The coaches have already stated who throws the best (inserting lee with 3rd and 13 last year against bama with game on the line). Let it rest dude. Lee will get better and better, if the ignornat fans get behind the guy for better or worse.....this is ridiculous.....some even think Mett should be the guy right now....lets you know just how smart they are....they skipping class to get on the rant.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:54 am to justustm2
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Not even the best in the last two games. Remember the Cotton Bowl in January? 10-22? Best accuracy? Geeze you guys are blinded by something. And then lie to support you position.
I have to laugh at shite like this. JJ plays 13 games last year, and you pick his best one to compare...lol...get to class kid. How about we compare the Vandy game, or the WV game, or hell, about 7-8 other games.......fact is we have running backs that are very good, and JL is a better passer and has much more field awareness....don't forget who was in the game last year against bama with the game on the line...and who delivered.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:56 am to Geaux2002
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This statement alone proves you know very little about "egos" and their fragility. If this kid had a fragile ego, he wouldn't have been able to stay here 3 more years after what he went through in 2008 without ever once bitching or acting like a baby.
While "fragile ego" may be the wrong description, OBUDan has a point with regards to bringing JJ back. JLee has seen time and time again where Miles has stuck with JJ, no matter how bad he was playing. I can see where JLee might feel the heat if JJ were on the sideline, and maybe press more than he should. Definitely some merit to OBUDan's thinking.
Overall, tend to agree with the OP assessment. Ball placement was generally good, though sometimes late. Unlike last year, the receivers almost always had an opportunity to catch the ball (though had some catches been made, they would have been candidates for ESPNs top 10 plays). If JLee can work on his footwork, we will be very pleased with the results this year. If not, we can expect to see a 45-55% completion rate throughout the season, with a few passes that we wish had never been thrown.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:59 am to CantonTiger128
I thought Lee managed the game with few mistakes. It doesn't matter how well Lee preforms some of u just love JJ. I don't think JJ would have done any better. A win is a Win. I am very proud of the tigers & thought the Defense was awesome. 
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:08 am to CantonTiger128
You don't like bashing:
Ohhhhh. . . maybe you don't mind bashing after all:
quote:you really don't like bashing:
still have kids on here bashing
quote:So you're saying you don't like bashing:
They call theirselves fans, yet they are booing and adding to the lack of confidence of the guy
quote:
who can blame him with these kind of people out there looking to criticize any and everything
Ohhhhh. . . maybe you don't mind bashing after all:
quote:
I'd rather that than a deer n headlights look
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:10 am to just me
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First, you responded to me, but I didn't analyze the QB play. Second, has receiver routes been an issue that has been discussed much?
Was responding to OP but just don't know how this fancy msg board works
And we don't know if the WR routes have been an issue b/c no one has broken them down play-by-play yet! The point was that LSU looked dominate vs. the #3 team and splitting hairs over the QB play and how it was not NFL 1st rd quality is a bit absurd. Maybe Oregon will have one of the top pass D's in the country this season or maybe they will get torched all season
It was the 1st game and I am glad LSU is 1-0
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:17 am to rds dc
Asking the OP to analyze all of the routes after the amount of work put in to analyze the result of each throw is like saving a kid from drowning and then complaining that you didn't find his hat.
Seriously, this was an epic amount of work and it was a great look into what actually happened with each pass. What's great is the OP showed his work so the rest of us can use the data and draw our own conclusions. Complaining that Dan has "bias" only shows your own.
The receivers could have made more catches and helped out their QB, but on the flip side, Lee could have thrown a better ball that was easier to catch. Most of the drops are on both parties. there was only one or two right on target throws that the receiver dropped. Most of the time the ball was late or out of the window, and the receiver made a play in which they could have caught the ball, but didn't. I think throw #7 is the perfect example. The receiver gets his hands on it, but the ball is high and thrown like a rocket. I'd like our receivers to make those grabs, but I also don't think it absolves the QB for the pass.
Seriously, this was an epic amount of work and it was a great look into what actually happened with each pass. What's great is the OP showed his work so the rest of us can use the data and draw our own conclusions. Complaining that Dan has "bias" only shows your own.
The receivers could have made more catches and helped out their QB, but on the flip side, Lee could have thrown a better ball that was easier to catch. Most of the drops are on both parties. there was only one or two right on target throws that the receiver dropped. Most of the time the ball was late or out of the window, and the receiver made a play in which they could have caught the ball, but didn't. I think throw #7 is the perfect example. The receiver gets his hands on it, but the ball is high and thrown like a rocket. I'd like our receivers to make those grabs, but I also don't think it absolves the QB for the pass.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:24 am to Baloo
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Most of the time the ball was late or out of the window, and the receiver made a play in which they could have caught the ball, but didn't. I think throw #7 is the perfect example. The receiver gets his hands on it, but the ball is high and thrown like a rocket. I'd like our receivers to make those grabs, but I also don't think it absolves the QB for the pass.
Welcome to the "JLee Haters Club". You can't express rational assessment of the passing game Saturday night without being labeled a hater.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:25 am to Baloo
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Most of the drops are on both parties. there was only one or two right on target throws that the receiver dropped
Exactly what I said after the game. Two legit drops, four errant passes, and a bunch in between.
It was an adequate performance.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:29 am to CantonTiger128
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..just bring back JJ so we can go back to option, deer n headlight crap.
My post said I would welcome him back and let coaches decide. Whats wrong with that, just like you said insert Lee for 3rd and 13, I would say insert JJ on 3rd and 4. When the dc has to be concerned for qb runs on 3rd and 4 it dictates what they can do. Blitz and play man and the qb can make you pay.
I never said I would welcome JJ back and that he should start. Just like any other position on the field having 2 guys with experience helps your team. If its 3rd and long I want Mingo in, 3rd and 1 give me edwards. There is no reason if JJs legal situation clears that he can't in some ways help our team.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:29 am to Baloo
quote:Just one more thing to add:
Asking the OP to analyze all of the routes after the amount of work put in to analyze the result of each throw is like saving a kid from drowning and then complaining that you didn't find his hat.
Seriously, this was an epic amount of work and it was a great look into what actually happened with each pass. What's great is the OP showed his work so the rest of us can use the data and draw our own conclusions. Complaining that Dan has "bias" only shows your own.
The receivers could have made more catches and helped out their QB, but on the flip side, Lee could have thrown a better ball that was easier to catch. Most of the drops are on both parties. there was only one or two right on target throws that the receiver dropped. Most of the time the ball was late or out of the window, and the receiver made a play in which they could have caught the ball, but didn't. I think throw #7 is the perfect example. The receiver gets his hands on it, but the ball is high and thrown like a rocket. I'd like our receivers to make those grabs, but I also don't think it absolves the QB for the pass.
Regardless of how the QB throws the ball, it isn't a "drop" if the DB knocks it away.
Our DBs made a number of good plays. When TM7 knocks a pass out of a receiver's hands, we don't say the receiver dropped the pass. The receiver did NOT drop the ball. The DB defensed the pass.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:34 am to 704tiger
Look the throw to Clement should have been caught no question. That ball was perfect. He's a big kid so he had to jump 3 inches. Good grief people. The throw to Boone was catchable. Was it late yes but it was a 50/50 ball that hit him in both hands. The throw to Ford was a good throw just like the first one he hit ford with but Ford did not turn his head around in time. Lee was blitzed and had to get rid of it early. The throw to Beckham over the middle was high but it would be catchable if we would recruit anything but slot receivers which is another thing I'd like to bring up. We seem to be on a trend of recruiting 5'10" receivers. We have Randle but he's not physical. There were 3-4 dropped passes for anyone with any sense at all and he thre one or two away. It wasn't a bad night for Lee. We have a very vanilla run oriented offense that doesn't help pass stats. I do think Lee needs improvement but give the guy a chance. He's played one game against the number 3 team in the country. I wish he wouldn't throw off his back foot either but I know one record breaking nfl qb that did that A LOT and you know who that was. Not that I'm comparing Lee to him just saying there are worse bad habits.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:35 am to just me
quote:
Regardless of how the QB throws the ball, it isn't a "drop" if the DB knocks it away.
Our DBs made a number of good plays. When TM7 knocks a pass out of a receiver's hands, we don't say the receiver dropped the pass. The receiver did NOT drop the ball. The DB defensed the pass.
Damnit ... there you go, making rational statements again. Don't you know that if the ball touches the receivers hands and he doesn't catch it, it's a drop?
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:41 am to 1984Tiger
quote:
Don't you know that if the ball touches the receivers hands and he doesn't catch it, it's a drop?
Depends on who's playing QB.
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