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re: An offensive breakdown for you guys

Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:20 pm to
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I'm flaming if I dont want feel the need to present a case to might Baloo about UF 08's yards and number of RBs with 5 TDs on the season versus LSU 07's yards and number of WRs with public school backgrounds somehow proving that Miles is not putting his hand in the LSU offense? Nice. I can see why that Ipod was so important to you now.
you're making the question way harder than it actually is. UF has good offense; LSU by comparison in several categories has comparable results. Does this mean LSU has good offense under Miles and maybe he doesn't 'hold back' the offensive game plan as much as some might think?

This really isn't a very difficult question....you're still dodging
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:27 pm to
LSU had more losses, considerably less points, performed considerably worse against SEC competition, actually had multiple RBs while UF had 0, etc etc. So, no, having a similar number of total yards with more plays does not prove that Les Miles doesn't hold back Crowton.

And, btw, its amazing how you repeatedly only jump in when you think there are 10 other people attacking because you not only can't form your own opinions but you have no spine.

Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:37 pm to
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LSU had more losses



Not because of the O


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considerably less points



still waiting on those exact numbers


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performed considerably worse against SEC competition



again, the offense was not the problem in SEC competition. it was the D.


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having a similar number of total yards with more plays


We averaged 1.3 ypp less than UF according to SFP.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:44 pm to
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Not because of the O


Running Hester up the middle for 3 yards over and over instead of letting a hot Scott play didnt have anything to do with the UK loss?

And 28 points versus a weak Arkansas defense is nothing to brag about either.


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still waiting on those exact numbers


congrats


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We averaged 1.3 ypp less than UF according to SFP.


per play. Is that insignificant?
This post was edited on 9/9/09 at 12:45 pm
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:45 pm to
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And, btw, its amazing how you repeatedly only jump in when you think there are 10 other people attacking because you not only can't form your own opinions but you have no spine.
get the sand out of your fricking vagina maxi. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt b/c you're being "attacked" on line by OMG TEN PEOPLE!

Maybe if it hadn't taken half a fricking day to comprehend and form an opinion on what should have been an easy question and answer you could have saved yourself some tears.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:49 pm to
yes, i've been sitting in front of the computer for half a day thinking about this non-stop.

seriously, do you ever add anything to a topic besides "yeah, dat Max is a meanie who just screams and lies a lot. he sucks GEAUX TIGERS."????
Posted by manwich
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:54 pm to
this was a fun thread and full of maturity
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:54 pm to
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yes, i've been sitting in front of the computer for half a day thinking about this non-stop.


not surprised.
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seriously, do you ever add anything to a topic besides "yeah, dat Max is a meanie who just screams and lies a lot. he sucks GEAUX TIGERS."????
By my recollection this is the second time in about a year that we've even replied to each other in the same thread. Would it help if I said I was sorry for hurting your feelings and e-ganging up on you?
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 12:56 pm to
It would help if you could form your own thoughts and opinions on football or even your own sentences rather than only jumping in with "get him" because you're still butt hurt over something that I probably typed 4 years ago.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:03 pm to
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LSU had more losses, considerably less points, performed considerably worse against SEC competition, actually had multiple RBs while UF had 0, etc etc. So, no, having a similar number of total yards with more plays does not prove that Les Miles doesn't hold back Crowton.


How did they perforrm "significantly worse"? Is that strictly by the yds/play number posted by SFP? I'm gonna ask another question, if you don't mind... doesn't the offense have some control over its number of plays? For example, UW had a lot more plays than LSU last Saturday, but wasn't that mainly because UW kept converted third downs and had so many long drives? Why is yard per play more significant than yards per game?

Oh, and your cutting wit wounds me, sir. I'm sorry that answering a few friggin questions is so difficult for you (and for the record, the only stats I mentioned were total yards, rushing yards, and passing yards), but I actually am trying to understand your point of view. Try and convince me. Rub those two brain cells you have together and create heat.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:04 pm to
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Running Hester up the middle for 3 yards over and over instead of letting a hot Scott play didnt have anything to do with the UK loss?



Well, I agree that Scott should have gotten more snaps in the 2nd half, but what actually cost us the most was that we threw WAY too much in the 2nd half. Flynn's INT was the killer. Pounding Scott would have actually been more conservative than the plays we were running. You guys hate the Scott runs now, but complain that we didn't do it enough against UK when we were throwing TOO MUCH.


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And 28 points versus a weak Arkansas defense is nothing to brag about either.



Yeah, the first quarter and a half was frustrating no doubt. But again, we opened it up and threw a ton in the 2nd half. We're an Early penalty away from putting that game away. It certainly wasn't anyone holding back Crowton.


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per play. Is that insignificant?



Well, yeah. I mean, Florida has Tim Tebow at QB. You can be a lot more creative and opportunistic with a guy like that with the ball in his hands every play. He's a once in a lifetime player that has to be accounted for on every play. Admit it or not, we don't have that. I think his presence alone is worth an extra yard a play.
This post was edited on 9/9/09 at 1:07 pm
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:09 pm to
Youre the one crying over how I treat you on a message board so how the frick am I the one butt hurt in this situation? I post in a fair amount of football threads especially during football season and (so far) I haven't come up with a good system of keeping records of who I agree/disagree with and whose feelings I might have potentially hurt. Once I do I'll let you know.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:09 pm to
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How did they perforrm "significantly worse"? Is that strictly by the yds/play number posted by SFP? I'm gonna ask another question, if you don't mind... doesn't the offense have some control over its number of plays? For example, UW had a lot more plays than LSU last Saturday, but wasn't that mainly because UW kept converted third downs and had so many long drives? Why is yard per play more significant than yards per game?

Oh, and your cutting wit wounds me, sir. I'm sorry that answering a few friggin questions is so difficult for you (and for the record, the only stats I mentioned were total yards, rushing yards, and passing yards), but I actually am trying to understand your point of view. Try and convince me. Rub those two brain cells you have together and create heat.


You're trying to understand my point of view that cherry picked stats from Florida don't prove that Les Miles doesn't tie his coordinators' hands? Wow, i can see how it would be such a novel concept. Try to think up 10-20 more questions for me on this illogical topic and maybe give me the guidelines of my essay and how I should format it to prove to you that I deserve to speak.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:11 pm to
SFP's post should have ended this thread 4 pages ago
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:12 pm to
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Youre the one crying over how I treat you on a message board so how the frick am I the one butt hurt in this situation? I post in a fair amount of football threads especially during football season and (so far) I haven't come up with a good system of keeping records of who I agree/disagree with and whose feelings I might have potentially hurt. Once I do I'll let you know.


post search you saying my screen name and vice versa. One of us has a hard-on for the other for sure.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:12 pm to
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You guys hate the Scott runs now


I do?
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:18 pm to
How is total yards, rushing yards, and passing yards cherry picked stats? Those seem pretty damn significant.

I'm asking so I can understand your argument. In fact, if you look through this threa, I have not advanced an argument nor tried to counter yours? I'm asking genuinely honest questions.

Your steadfast refusal to answer the most basic question tells me that you can't convince anyone that Miles actually ties his co-ordinators hands. You say it is so, so it is so. Isn't the point of posting on a message board to, you know, CONVINCE people you're right? So, go ahead, convince me.

Otherwise, you're just a bully. I am telling you, I am genuinely interested in your answer. I will not argue with it. I just want to understand it. Maybe you'll convince me. Maybe you'll convince someone else. But it would be a more worthwhile discussion then just declaring yourself correct because you can yell the loudest. What's so bad about wanting an actual discussion?

I'm telling you right now about the co-ordiantors... I honestly don't know. I'm willing to listen. SFP's got you started, I even said I partly agree with his case.



Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:24 pm to
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post search you saying my screen name and vice versa

I see two on the rant and one on the recruiting board unless there's 50 posts on the OT then we have different definitions of "hard-on"
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 1:50 pm to
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How is total yards, rushing yards, and passing yards cherry picked stats?


where are wins/losses and points scored? Wouldn't those be the most significant and thus leaving them out would be cherry picking? Washington had 500 yards on us the other day. I dont really think thats proves they are on par with Florida but I could prop up some stats and say BOOM TO MAX AND SFP and whoallla they are the 2nd coming of the Kurt Warner Rams.

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I'm asking so I can understand your argument. In fact, if you look through this threa, I have not advanced an argument nor tried to counter yours? I'm asking genuinely honest questions.

Your steadfast refusal to answer the most basic question tells me that you can't convince anyone that Miles actually ties his co-ordinators hands. You say it is so, so it is so. Isn't the point of posting on a message board to, you know, CONVINCE people you're right? So, go ahead, convince me.


What questions am I dodging? If you honestly think UF has anything to do with Miles sticking his hands in the offense than I can't really help you.

On specifically why its clear why Miles is in the offense? Lets try all the 2 tight end, fullback and bunch sets that magically appeared in Jimbo Fisher AND Gary Crowton's offenses as soon as they were under his employ. Jimbo must have been holding back all those goalline offense sets on Monday against Miami that he used from any spot on the field in 2005 and 2006. I'm also sure Miles grabbing a play sheet during some games is just so he can follow along.


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Otherwise, you're just a bully.


Well, if mighty Baloo the authority on all things MLB comes down from his thrown to judge my posting quality, I better step it up and prove to him my worthiness.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:00 pm to
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where are wins/losses and points scored? Wouldn't those be the most significant and thus leaving them out would be cherry picking?



Actually, no. As you said, Washington had 500 yards of offense and yet only scored 23 points and lost the game. But I'm sure you're not going to say that Washington's offense was conservative and the coaches didn't open the playbook. Are you?

Yardage stats are a very good way to judge an offense.
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