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re: Am i the only one that liked Ensminger offense better than Canadas?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 12:54 pm to kengel2
Posted on 3/26/18 at 12:54 pm to kengel2
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That was my point, he wasn't some superstar when we hired him. Up and coming, yes, but no slam dunk.
Sure but the problem is slam dunks are extremely rare. Saban to Bama especially in retrospect was as big a slam dunk as you’ll find but a lot thought Harbaugh to Michigan was as well and so far really hasn’t been. If you look at who was available and considered for the job, who really would have been better? Pertrino? Maybe Fisher, though he hadn’t been a HC yet.
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Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
Fisher is the guy I liked, but as you say, he had no head coaching experience and there's no way to measure how successful he may have been without that experience under Bowden.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:04 pm to Geauxst Writer
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You are a negative jerk and fail to realize that in every profession, leaders evolve, and they evolve their craft.
I always love this “people evolve” narrative. How many guys can you think of that we’re in a certain position in their 40s, were mediocre at that position then spent the next 20 years in lower positions (aka a demotion) then suddenly after 59 became innovative and successful back in the higher position?
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he demonstrated with Cam's offense that he could turn it into high octane
Did he really though? Again I think people get blinded by Les Miles Fatigue. Over the years (from 2008 onwards) the overall offense was putrid for LSU, no disputing that. But there games here and there that were not. One of the records O and E set after taking over was most yards vs an SEC opponent with 634 vs Mizzo. Les and Cam had 624 vs South Carolina in 2015
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:08 pm to Geauxst Writer
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You are a negative jerk and fail to realize that in every profession, leaders evolve, and they evolve their craft. Coach E offense will surprise you, and is going to be West Coast Pro Style. 2 years ago he demonstrated with Cam's offense that he could turn it into high octane. The offense will be fine.
The problem with this narrative is that he's not evolving in a vacuum. Every other leader is evolving as well. So where exactly does he gain ground?
He may be better today but so are his contemporaries. So relatively speaking he may not have improved at all.
People want to believe this fairy tale that mediocre talent can evolve into legendary talent over time because they've "learned their lessons" or whatever.
You either have it or you don't. There was not one moment ever where Saban was professionally on the same level as someone like Orgeron for instance. From the second he took his first HC job he was better than Orgeron probably ever will be. Maybe Orgeron's on the level of grad assistant Saban but I have a hard time believing even that.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:10 pm to la_birdman
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If he was such a bad fit or was untrustworthy, why hire him? Which is it?
Much like getting married ..... you really don't know that much about the person until they are living under the same roof with you. Sometimes you realize you made a mistake early on. It happens in both love and work.
Over my career, I have had a couple of hires that I though were going to work and then realized things weren't going to work out. Sometimes when you try to salvage something all you wind up with is salvage.
I am willing to bet that in two or three years at the outside, Canada will be OC somewhere else than where he is now.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:14 pm to damnedoldtigah
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Over my career, I have had a couple of hires that I though were going to work and then realized things weren't going to work out. Sometimes when you try to salvage something all you wind up with is salvage.
Did you ever hire an electrician to fix the plumbing under your sink?
The problem is that guy he hired did his job one way and he wanted the job done another way.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I always love this “people evolve” narrative.
Me too, shouldn't the person have to prove they've evolved at a lesser job before being hired for a job like LSU?
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Over the years (from 2008 onwards) the overall offense was putrid for LSU, no disputing that.
Well, except for the whole Mett, Hill, Landry and Beckham thing.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:24 pm to tigerfan63
Have an upvote, I completely agree.
I was very underwhelmed after watching the Spring Game, and that feeling continued and expanded.
F*ck Canada. The man, not the country.
I was very underwhelmed after watching the Spring Game, and that feeling continued and expanded.
F*ck Canada. The man, not the country.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:28 pm to Space Cowboy
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As they all say O's losing record at Ole Miss was because of the players O's predecessor left him.
Ed Orgeron only beat 2 teams with a winning record during his 3 year egregious tenure at Ole Miss. David Cutcliffe had Ole Miss at the top of the SEC West just 2 years prior to Orgeron taking over that program.
Ole Miss progressively got worse as a team while Orgeron was head of the program.
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And they were saying the same exact story since O was up for the USC job a few years before O arrived in Baton Rouge.
Orgeron was never "up" for the USC job back in 2013 when he was interim head coach, even after finishing the season 6-2. He was never seriously considered for the permanent head coaching position at USC because of his terrible 3 year tenure at Ole Miss. Pat Haden evidently held Orgeron mostly accountable for his awful 3 year record at Ole Miss and went in a different direction replacing Kiffin as head coach.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:33 pm to BayouCowboy
“O is currently on the path Les was towards the end”
I don’t even know how you can say that. No path that Miles took in 11 years at LSU lead us to a 30 pt L to state and the embarrassment of losing to SBC team. Trying to equate the two paths is just silly. It took Miles 11 yrs. of games to a OOC and Coach O 5 games.
“ it’s better to get a little context”
Thanks, I’ll try to remember.
I don’t even know how you can say that. No path that Miles took in 11 years at LSU lead us to a 30 pt L to state and the embarrassment of losing to SBC team. Trying to equate the two paths is just silly. It took Miles 11 yrs. of games to a OOC and Coach O 5 games.
“ it’s better to get a little context”
Thanks, I’ll try to remember.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:35 pm to kengel2
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Miles never won the big 12 and never even went the big 12 championship game. His record was 28-21, I guess thats technically a winning record. He only won 9 games once before coming to LSU and had just finished 7-5 before leaving.
he took over an Oklahoma State program coming off sanctions and from 1988-2001 they had 1 season with .500 or better record.
OKLAHOMA STATE PRIOR TO MILES
OKLAHOMA STATE WHEN miles got there
Oklahoma State went from classes outside the top 60 to multiple top 25 classes and was the spring board to what Gundy created at OSU.
but het dont let facts get in the way of you posting.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
So.... 28-21 is not that good in the big 12 rick....again YOU will do anything to hype up your idol.....
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:42 pm to dukke v
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.... 28-21 is not that good in the big 12 rick....again YOU will do anything to hype up your idol....
it is when you take over a program coming off sanctions and had 1 .500 or better season in 12 years.
miles took over a far worse situation at Oklahoma State than O took over at ole miss.
only a dumbass would say posting facts is hyping up anything
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:44 pm to dukke v
Bruh, he was responding to other posts. I actually brought up the Miles record prior to LSU hiring him to compare it to the Orgeron record prior to LSU hiring him. That was in response to someone else's post about fans not being happy about either hire and I didn't think it was fair to compare the two.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:45 pm to dukke v
Oklahoma State prior to Miles
Oklahoma state when miles got there
only an idiot would say Miles' tenure at OSU wasnt a huge success considering the program he took over.
was it an elite tenure? no. but its in no way comparable to the shite show of O's tenure prior to Lsu.
Oklahoma state when miles got there
only an idiot would say Miles' tenure at OSU wasnt a huge success considering the program he took over.
was it an elite tenure? no. but its in no way comparable to the shite show of O's tenure prior to Lsu.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:46 pm to TigerLunatik
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Bruh, he was responding to other posts. I actually brought up the Miles record prior to LSU hiring him to compare it to the Orgeron record prior to LSU hiring him. That was in response to someone else's post about fans not being happy about either hire and I didn't think it was fair to compare the two.
ive curb stomped dukkev so much that he just naturally has a problem with anything i post.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I always love this “people evolve” narrative. How many guys can you think of that we’re in a certain position in their 40s, were mediocre at that position then spent the next 20 years in lower positions (aka a demotion) then suddenly after 59 became innovative and successful back in the higher position?
Hope and pray baw
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:55 pm to lsu2006
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Hope and pray baw
we comin.
one heart beat.
we aint scared.
sounds like someone is trying to convince themselves that they are up to the challenge.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I’m a “negative jerk” because I’m skeptical that a 60 year old who held a job and was bad at it 20 years ago will magically be awesome at said job this go around. These are the rules
Posted on 3/26/18 at 2:01 pm to TigerLunatik
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Did you ever hire an electrician to fix the plumbing under your sink?
The problem is that guy he hired did his job one way and he wanted the job done another way.
exactly. O hiring Canada and then having problems with pre snap motion maybe the dumbest thing O has ever done as a head coach.
Its like going to eat @ red lobster and saying you hate seafood.
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