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re: Alleva has denied Wade a golden opportunity
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:29 am to Gray Tiger
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:29 am to Gray Tiger
quote:
Wade refuses to meet with his BOSS.
....who stupidly invite the NCAA into the meeting.
Wade being smart, s is his attorney....guilty or not.
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:57 am to Irish LSU Fan
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I am one of those that believe the FBI wiretaps are incriminating enough
This is where you are go wrong. You have not heard the conversation in entirety only cherry picked statements and even at that have only read about them. Not even LSU admin has heard the entirety of the conversation due to the upcoming federal case. So you are one of those who have assigned guilt based on conversation you haven’t even heard in it’s entirety. You are no better than the two morons leading this charge
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:10 pm to Jb1994
Here are the questions everyone should be asking:
What Should Alleva have Known?
What new did Alleva learn from the Yahoo Article that justified suspending Wade?
If Alleva should have known more than the reporter at Yahoo, then Alleva needs to be fired for cause.
(The standard to fire ALLEVA for cause, per his contract, is "should have known")
What Should Alleva have Known?
What new did Alleva learn from the Yahoo Article that justified suspending Wade?
If Alleva should have known more than the reporter at Yahoo, then Alleva needs to be fired for cause.
(The standard to fire ALLEVA for cause, per his contract, is "should have known")
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:35 pm to LSUNV
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You have not heard the conversation in entirety only cherry picked statements and even at that have only read about them. Not even LSU admin has heard the entirety of the conversation due to the upcoming federal case. So you are one of those who have assigned guilt based on conversation you haven’t even heard in it’s entirety. You are no better than the two morons leading this charge
Look, in our legal system (which really has nothing to do with the WW issue), you are innocent until proven guilty. However (even before you are tried), when there is enough evidence (as determined by a court), you are put in jail (or allowed bond). In the WW case, LSU (and the NCAA) are the court and they have decided there is enough evidence to warrant a suspension (not termination). I would not be surprised (and should not either) if LSU (and/or the NCAA) has additional information about WW they are not sharing at this time. Since we don't know "everything," we should allow those who do the space to do their job.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:39 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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I am one of those that believe the FBI wiretaps are incriminating enough (coupled with WW's refusal to meet with LSU/NCAA as he is contractually REQUIRED to do) to warrant the suspension.
Actually, his refusal to meet with the LSU/NCAA is enough to fire him. They did not fire him.
So if they can use discretion to not fire him for an apparent fireable offense, they also can use the same discretion to not even suspend him. They chose to do something that essentially serves no purpose but to make it appear as if they're doing something.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:40 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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In the WW case, LSU (and the NCAA) are the court and they have decided there is enough evidence to warrant a suspension (not termination). I would not be surprised (and should not either) if LSU (and/or the NCAA) has additional information about WW they are not sharing at this time. Since we don't know "everything," we should allow those who do the space to do their job.
In the NCAA's case, the NCAA hasn't determined anything, haven't opened an investigation, haven't sent LSU a letter of inquiry, nothing. The NCAA is required to follow a certain protocol. They have not even begun to act on that clearly defined protocol. This has been a unilateral decision by LSU, plain and simple.
LSU has decided they feel they will appease the NCAA by taking the actions they are taking now. Many in here disagree based on prior programs who cooperated from day 1 with the NCAA and still got the hammer dropped on them. Many feel that if the implications have merit and the worst is ultimately realized, that no amount of cooperation by LSU now is going to have any bearing on what the NCAA ultimately does. Given this all happened in 2017 and LSU waited until 2019 to act on it, they'd still be looking at an LOIC if the facts ultimately reveal the worst about Wade's recruiting. So what exactly does LSU have to gain by suspending Wade right now? The answer is nothing. But they have far more to potentially lose if nothing in these media leaks is ever substantiated or enough for the NCAA to stick to Wade and the program.
The NCAA has made it clear what they know and what they don't. Mark Emmert has made plenty of statements on the topic. They know no more than we do because the FBI's files have not been released to anyone at this time. The NCAA has been trying to get them unsuccessfully, both upon request and an attempt to file a Motion to Intervene in the case before the Federal Court. LSU, as well, is in the same boat. They know nothing either outside Smart and his family) denying he took anything and had no idea about any of it.
It would probably serve you well to read up on the underlying case and all that has transpired before stating such a definitive opinion on the situation.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:40 pm to Irish LSU Fan
Holy crap dude, WW is not suspended because they have found cause, he is suspended because he refuses to meet with his boss in front of the NCAA. That’s what started this whole argument.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:48 pm to Goldrush25
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Actually, his refusal to meet with the LSU/NCAA is enough to fire him. They did not fire him.
Actually, I don't even think they do based on the language in his contract. It would be highly argumentative and would result in litigation immediately if LSU tried to do it right now. They could potentially prevail, but it would be far, far too risky right now, and if they didn't prevail, they'd stand to pay their attorneys and Wade's attorneys millions in attorney fees, lost wages ($10MM), and damages. They could, in theory, end up paying out double the money remaining on Wade's contract when it's all said and done. the language under those provisions in his contract I assume you're referring to have certain qualifying words that cast some doubt whether cause has been reached yet based on the unique mitigating circumstances of this situation.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:51 pm to LSUNV
quote:And again, that is not even the whole story.
Holy crap dude, WW is not suspended because they have found cause, he is suspended because he refuses to meet with his boss in front of the NCAA.
Wade DID NOT EVEN REFUSE to talk to the NCAA.
He simply requested that the conversation be delayed a month, until the Federal Trial covering some of the same ground has run its course.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:53 pm to lsufball19
quote:
LSU has decided they feel they will appease the NCAA by taking the actions they are taking now.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:55 pm to lsufball19
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Actually, I don't even think they do based on the language in his contract. It would be highly argumentative and would result in litigation immediately if LSU tried to do it right now. They could potentially prevail, but it would be far, far too risky right now, and if they didn't prevail, they'd stand to pay their attorneys and Wade's attorneys millions in attorney fees, lost wages ($10MM), and damages. They could, in theory, end up paying out double the money remaining on Wade's contract when it's all said and done. the language under those provisions in his contract I assume you're referring to have certain qualifying words that cast some doubt whether cause has been reached yet based on the unique mitigating circumstances of this situation.
I'm just saying that since people are taking his contract literally in regards to why he was suspended, that same logic could be used to him being fired. They "can" fire him by the letter of the law, although the extenuating circumstances of this particular case would probably make that a costly endeavor for them before it's all said and done.
Let's suffice it to say that this actually isn't a black and white matter as the Alleva apologists have tried to say. Because of this, they did not *have* to suspend him in the first place.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Wade DID NOT EVEN REFUSE to talk to the NCAA.
He simply requested that the conversation be delayed a month, until the Federal Trial covering some of the same ground has run its course.
Wade actually agreed to meet with Joe Alleva and F King. However, once he agreed, Alleva and F King changed the terms (after speaking with LSU compliance) and wanted Wade there, alone, with others present including: LSU compliance, NCAA officials, and LSU attorneys. Wade was basically being offered an ambush without the assistance of counsel. With an impending federal trial in which Wade has been subpoenaed to testify, that is an unreasonable request and Alleva, et al, knew it. Instead of acting reasonably, Alleva has gone out of his way on a smear campaign against Will Wade to cover his own arse and kick the blame can down the road. Had he conducted the initial sit-down with Wade as initially proposed, I'm fairly confident this meeting would have already happened. But when Alleva changed the terms and made it an interrogation of Wade without his attorney present, then no rational person should have expected this to go any differently.
There is definitely blame on Wade's end but Alleva has turned this into something that it never needed to be and is spreading half-truths to the media, which I find to be disgusting and unprofessional.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:38 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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"But his contract lists a set of duties and responsibilities, one of which is: “Cooperating fully in any investigation of possible NCAA or SEC violations conducted or authorized by LSU, the SEC, or the NCAA at any time.”
I must have missed the part where Wade or LSU is under investigation...
That seems to be key here.
quote:
As a term of employment, school presidents and athletics staff must commit contractually to full cooperation in the investigations and infractions process.
Again, you seem to be forgetting the key element. Neither LSU nor Will Wade are under NCAA investigation. It was a Yahoo article. Our administration invited this upon themselves by going full fricking retard and basing their decisions on a YAHOO ARTICLE.
Christ on a cracker
This isnt hard guys.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:42 pm to Gray Tiger
Joe is that you?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:45 pm to lsufball19
Just wanting to post here the lsufball19's posts for these last 18 days, now, have been seemingly spot-on. Thank you.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:49 pm to NC_Tigah
I love how Irish LSU fan gives all of these opinions on the matter, yet ends one of his arguments with "well BB isnt important anyway".
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:50 pm to Gray Tiger
Downvote #400 here.
You don't deserve your handle.
You don't deserve your handle.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:51 pm to RedPop4
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Just wanting to post here the lsufball19's posts for these last 18 days, now, have been seemingly spot-on. Thank you.
Some of my earlier posts when the leak first happened may not make a lot of sense now, and my opinion has definitely changed on some issues as more information has come out and/or things have transpired (I was initially under the impression Dawkins was Smart's personal "handler," which of course is/was not actually the case)). I was actually pissed more at Wade the day everything leaked and wasn't upset at the initial suspension of Wade or the "withholding of Smart" for the Vandy game. But as the weeks have gone on, the actions Alleva has taken are indefensible IMO
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:52 pm to lsufball19
what I don't understand is what is the endgame with the suspension?
how long are they gonna keep him suspended in this grey area?
until May?
what is administration's strategy?
how long are they gonna keep him suspended in this grey area?
until May?
what is administration's strategy?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:55 pm to CBandits82
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what I don't understand is what is the endgame with the suspension?
only logival thing I can come up with on Alleva's end is he thinks if they suspended Wade and continue to suspend him that we may avoid LOIC if the hammer inevitably drops. But IMO, if the hammer drops and all the suspicions are substantiated with proof, we're fricked all the same and will 100% get LOIC regardless
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how long are they gonna keep him suspended in this grey area?
Based on Alleva's past precedent in this ordeal, one would think until the NCAA clears Wade and the program. But hell that could take a year(s) if the NCAA doesn't even open an investigation until after the trial in April. And with as many programs involved in the probe, it could take a long arse time for them to investigate and clear anyone. If their MO is to wait until we are completely cleared of any wrongdoing, then they're even dumber than I thought.
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what is administration's strategy?
Who knows. Whatever it is, it's a bad one.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 3:00 pm
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