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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:23 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:23 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:I really, really, really, don't give enough of a frick about this website to make another account to hide who I am when it's anonymous anyway
What's your other ID you post under on the Rant? No one here 4 yrs. with your kinda emotional take only has 800 post in 4 yrs
quote:So they weren't the sole reason that the best LSU football team of all time didn't win a championship? They were "mediocre" while surrounded by a ridiculous amount of talent which makes them below average in general. Would JJ or JL have had "mediocre" stats if they would've played for anyone other than LSU or Bama? Probably not. Their mediocrity was a product of their incredibly advantageous situations. If either of them were "mediocre", we would've been the national champions in 2011
JJ wasn't a "bad" QB and neither was JL
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Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:24 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:
wide open future-NFL wideouts while you're standing behind a very good line.
Why don't you list the names of those NFL WRs and OLinemen along with any collegiate accolades and draft position?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Only 4 players took more snaps
Only 4 lsu players have accounted for pretty total offense.
quote:Again, only 4 QB's took more snaps than him in the history of LSU football. His totals are a product of him spending more time on the field surrounded by elite talent than any other QB in LSU history
Only 4 players in lsu history have accounted for more total tds.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:28 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:
You're not going to convince me that someone who had slightly below average career stat
Below average? Holy shite.
Only 4 lsu players have accounted for pretty total offense.
1. Tommy Hodson 8,938 yards
2.Jeff Wickersham 6,705 yards
3.JaMarcus Russell 6,704 yards
4.Herb Tyler 6,654 yards
5.Jordan Jefferson 5,751 yards
Only 4 players in lsu history have accounted for more total tds.
1.Tommy Hodson 71tds
2.Herb Tyler 63tds
3.JaMarcus Russell 56tds
4.Kevin Faulk 47tds
5.Jordan Jefferson 46tds
In what reality are those career stats below average?
Didn't want this lost on the last page. Explain how those are below average career stats.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:29 pm to southeasttiger113
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Again, only 4 QB's took more snaps than him in the history of LSU football. His totals are a product of him spending more time on the field surrounded by elite talent than any other QB in LSU history
Even with his snaps you don't suck your entire career and finish top 5 in career tds and career total yards at a top 15 alltime program. It's impossible.
Again the snaps would be valid if his yards per ATTEMPT weren't high. If he was completing short passes, as you claimed, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top 5 in total yards. You do realize that yeah? You can't claim his yards are a product of.attempts and then say his compl% is because of easy short yardage passed. You do realize that, right?
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:33 pm to chilge1
Reuben Randle, James Wright, Jarvis Landry, Brandon Lafell, Terrance Toliver, Demetrius Byrd. Are you kidding me?
Chris Faulk, Alex Hurst, La'el Collins. I really don't feel like looking through linemen but it's ridiculous to act like he wasn't surrounded by elite talent. Please go the frick away and start your thread
Chris Faulk, Alex Hurst, La'el Collins. I really don't feel like looking through linemen but it's ridiculous to act like he wasn't surrounded by elite talent. Please go the frick away and start your thread
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Only 4 players in lsu history have accounted for more total tds.
1.Tommy Hodson 71tds
2.Herb Tyler 63tds
3.JaMarcus Russell 56tds
4.Kevin Faulk 47tds
5.Jordan Jefferson 46tds
I'd be curious to see that in terms of TDs per start
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:They weren't
Again the snaps would be valid if his yards per ATTEMPT weren't high
quote:You know that wide receivers can do this thing called catch the ball and run, yeah?
If he was completing short passes, as you claimed, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top 5 in total yards.
quote:You do realize that he's pretty much on an island as far as attempts go, right? That why his attempts and total yardage are comparable. There are only like 2 other quarterbacks close to 700 passes, there are 3 that had significantly more and a lot that had significantly less
You can't claim his yards are a product of.attempts and then say his compl% is because of easy short yardage passed. You do realize that, right?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:03 pm to southeasttiger113
Reuben Randle from 2009-11
97 rec. 1634 yd 13 TD
Drafted 2nd Round in 2012 NFL Draft
James Wright from 2009-11
7 rec. 62 yd
Drafted 7th Round in 2014 NFL Draft
Jarvis Landry from 2009-11
4 rec. 43 yd
Drafted 2nd Round in 2014 NFL Draft
Brandon LaFell from 2009-11
57 rec. 792 yd. 11 TD
Drafted 3rd Round in 2010 NFL Draft
Terrence Toliver from 2009-11
94 rec. 1314 yd 8 TD
Undrafted
Demetrius Byrd from 2009-11
N/A
I'll give you Reuben Randle. Jefferson played with LaFell for one year and the rest of that list is a crapshoot.
Chris Faulk - 2011 2nd team All-SEC, Undrafted
Alex Hurst - 2011 1st team All-SEC, Undrafted
La'el Collins - 2011 Played in seven games with no starts ... Saw action on 46 snaps on the offensive line
97 rec. 1634 yd 13 TD
Drafted 2nd Round in 2012 NFL Draft
James Wright from 2009-11
7 rec. 62 yd
Drafted 7th Round in 2014 NFL Draft
Jarvis Landry from 2009-11
4 rec. 43 yd
Drafted 2nd Round in 2014 NFL Draft
Brandon LaFell from 2009-11
57 rec. 792 yd. 11 TD
Drafted 3rd Round in 2010 NFL Draft
Terrence Toliver from 2009-11
94 rec. 1314 yd 8 TD
Undrafted
Demetrius Byrd from 2009-11
N/A
I'll give you Reuben Randle. Jefferson played with LaFell for one year and the rest of that list is a crapshoot.
Chris Faulk - 2011 2nd team All-SEC, Undrafted
Alex Hurst - 2011 1st team All-SEC, Undrafted
La'el Collins - 2011 Played in seven games with no starts ... Saw action on 46 snaps on the offensive line
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:21 pm to chilge1
those were all extremely talented wideouts and they had terrible stats because of who was throwing to them. Thanks for proving my point
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:23 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:
Only 4 players in lsu history have accounted for more total tds.
Again, only 4 QB's took more snaps than him in the history of LSU football.
So he is 5th in terms of snaps, but 6th in terms of stats?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:24 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:
those were all extremely talented wideouts
Byrd, Wright, and Landry didn't even play during the same years as Jefferson. LaFell played with him for one.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:27 pm to CptBengal
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So he is 5th in terms of snaps, but 6th in terms of stats?
Not to mention playing in a more pass friendly era...
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:27 pm to chilge1
Byrd didn't play in 2008? Interesting. I guess his wideouts always sucked then, you're exactly right you delusional frick. Start that thread yet btw?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:34 pm to southeasttiger113
Jefferson didn't play in 2008... he was able to throw passes to Byrd for three games...
Here was Byrd's contribution to Jefferson's career numbers
8 rec. 77 yards
Here was Byrd's contribution to Jefferson's career numbers
8 rec. 77 yards
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:35 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:
I really, really, really, don't give enough of a frick about this website to make another account to hide who I am when it's anonymous anyway
Ok, if that's your play, knock yourself out.
quote:
So they weren't the sole reason that the best LSU football team of all time didn't win a championship?
That's right, they weren't.
We didn't go 13-0 "solely" due to QB play and we didn't go 13-1 "solely" due to QB play either. There was only 1 element of the LSU team that came to try and win a NC and that was the D which held Bama without a TD till late. The special teams were not special and the OL got abused.
QB is an easy target for fans to dump on and while JJ played bad, he sure and the hell wasn't alone in the bad play department on the night. imo
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:37 pm to CptBengal
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So he is 5th in terms of snaps, but 6th in terms of stats
He is
5th in total yards
5th in tds
6th in passing yards
6th in compl %
In no way is that below average career stats.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:38 pm to Powerman
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So he is 5th in terms of snaps, but 6th in terms of stats
All but JaMarcus had more starts than JJ. JJ started just over 2 years worth of games.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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All but JaMarcus had more starts than JJ. JJ started just over 2 years worth of games.
Not surprisingly something went over your head.
The point is if he was any good he would have better stats because he had so many starts
He started because we didn't have anyone better. He was a mediocre to poor QB
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:41 pm to Powerman
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So he is 5th in terms of snaps, but 6th in terms of stats?
Not to mention playing in a more pass friendly era...
its almost as bad as the pumpers defending the coaching.
We have top 5 recruiting classes, and top 20 finishes. Something has to give....
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