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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:55 pm to southeasttiger113
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:55 pm to southeasttiger113
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:58 pm to southeasttiger113
So you didn't respond to you saying JJ never had a good completion % when he has the 6th highest career completion % in lsu history?
You're a fricking dumbass that doesn't understand football and have been proven, repeatedly, wrong.
You keep running that dick sucker though.
Again,you and any other rant can THINK what you want bitch. FACTS prove JJ was not a horrible qb. There are poster on this site that think Miles isn't a good coach while he just gave lsu our most successful 10 year stretch ever.90% of the posters on this site couldn't tell you what makes the strong side the strong side or what a passing tree is.
What you or I think doesn't mean shite. We are poster on a message board. FACTS SAY JJ was a decent qb. Deal with it boy.
You're a fricking dumbass that doesn't understand football and have been proven, repeatedly, wrong.
You keep running that dick sucker though.
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You're in the vast minority of people that don't think th
Again,you and any other rant can THINK what you want bitch. FACTS prove JJ was not a horrible qb. There are poster on this site that think Miles isn't a good coach while he just gave lsu our most successful 10 year stretch ever.90% of the posters on this site couldn't tell you what makes the strong side the strong side or what a passing tree is.
What you or I think doesn't mean shite. We are poster on a message board. FACTS SAY JJ was a decent qb. Deal with it boy.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:00 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Come on man, go start a thread and tell everybody that Jordan Jefferson was a good QB because he was ranked 6th all time in completion percentage at LSU. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that can articulate why you're a dumbass a lot better than I can
Holy shite. Only 5 qb in lsu history have a higher career completion %. You can look these up before you sound like a retard
quote:That's pretty fricking debatable
17tds-7 ints 61% compl 2100 yards and a qb rating of 137.2 is a good year.
it's average at best but judging by your grammar and analytical skills I'm guessing that me and you have a very different definition of "good" in a lot of facets of lifequote:3 big games his senior year. Threw for 67, 50, and 30 yards in each of them. Totally, dude was clutch as frick.
You have no idea what you're talking about. He stepped up in plenty of big games.
Until you start a thread telling everyone that JJ wasn't a bad QB, stepped up in plenty of big games, and should be more highly regarded because of his spot in the all time record book I'm done talking, if you want to take a stance that everyone knows is idiotic and no one agrees with then be an adult and put yourself out there by starting a thread telling everyone why they're wrong, when people are wrong they deserve the justice of a more intelligent, level-headed person enlightening them
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:What are your qualifications exactly?
You're a fricking dumbass that doesn't understand football and have been proven, repeatedly, wrong.
quote:No they don't
FACTS prove JJ was not a horrible qb
quote:Can you?
.90% of the posters on this site couldn't tell you what makes the strong side the strong side or what a passing tree is.
quote:Share those facts with everyone since you're so sure of yourself then and stop chimping out all over this thread "bitch". You sound like an irate moron that can't keep his emotions in check because a smarter individual chooses not to agree with your stupid fricking interpretation of what certain stats imply. Go start a thread and prove everybody wrong, genius. I guarantee that you have no more football knowledge than the other 90% of the board that's played/coached football past jr high and the fact that you keep going back to "YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL" just shows that you're insecure and don't know shite yourself
What you or I think doesn't mean shite. We are poster on a message board. FACTS SAY JJ was a decent qb. Deal with it boy.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:08 pm to southeasttiger113
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Come on man, go start a thread and tell everybody that Jordan Jefferson was a good QB because he was ranked 6th all time in completion percentage at LSU.
You said he never had a good completion %. Only 5 qbs in lsu history had a higher qb rating. These are facts bitch. Deal with it.
Again, I don't care what the opinions of ranters are. I care about FACTS. FACTS say JJ was a serviceable QB and he surely wasn't a horrible qb. Do I need to explain what a fact is?
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That's pretty fricking debatable it's average at best but judging by your grammar and analytical skills I'm guessing that me and you have a very different definition of "good" in a lot of facets of life
Yeah my degree from Duke screams uneducated. Get a clue boy.
I don't care what you think. You're repeatedly shown you don't know shite about football. Deal with it.
Also if you just posted JJ'S stats and historical rankings without his name, most people would say that's a decent career.
Being top 6 in every major passing statistic at a top 15 alltime program is a good career.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You said he never had a good completion %. Only 5 qbs in lsu history had a higher qb rating. These are facts bitch. Deal with it.
still waiting on you to start that threadquote:Not trying to get all philosophical but the only facts that exist in this life are things that are cardinal and unchanging like gravity. Your dumb fricking interpretation of the importance of record books when talking about how good a quarterback is doesn't fall under the very small category of "fact"
Do I need to explain what a fact is?
quote:I really hope that Duke didn't give someone that can barely form complete sentences a degree
Yeah my degree from Duke screams uneducated. Get a clue boy.
quote:Again, what are your qualifications to be a football expert?
I don't care what you think. You're repeatedly shown you don't know shite about football. Deal with it.
quote:He had average at best stats and he had a shitload of other issues and problems that caused him to be a bad quarterback and leader of the team. You know that part of being a QB is having leadership qualities and being levelheaded and cool under pressure right? He had no intangibles. Literally none.
Also if you just posted JJ'S stats and historical rankings without his name, most people would say that's a decent career.
quote:Yea, a top 15 program that's never been known for having good quarterbacks or quarterback play. Very impressive
Being top 6 in every major passing statistic at a top 15 alltime program is a good career.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:38 pm to southeasttiger113
You start the thread dipshit. I don't care about ranters' OPINIONS. I care about facts. I don't care about a biased and subjective opinion. In no way is an opinion on the same level as a fact.
But yet your biased opinion means something? You've already proven you don't know shite about JJ'S career or lsu football history.
Again, it's not my opinion that JJ didn't have a shitty career. It's a fact that he is ranked in the top 6 in every major passing statistic. It's a fact that he finished top 5 in qb rating in 2009.
Again a link showing your lsu football ignorance. no sec program has had more qbs drafted, since 1970, than lsu. you really suck at this.
Again, you do realize you can look things up before you post something so you don't look like a retard.
I feel i need to say this. It's not opinion that lsu has had the most qbs drafted since 1970, IT'S A frickING FACT,BOY
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Your dumb fricking interpretation of the importance of record books when talking about how good a quarterback is doesn't fall under the very small category of "fact"
But yet your biased opinion means something? You've already proven you don't know shite about JJ'S career or lsu football history.
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Again, what are your qualifications to be a football expert?
Again, it's not my opinion that JJ didn't have a shitty career. It's a fact that he is ranked in the top 6 in every major passing statistic. It's a fact that he finished top 5 in qb rating in 2009.
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Yea, a top 15 program that's never been known for having good quarterbacks or quarterback play. Very impressive
Again a link showing your lsu football ignorance. no sec program has had more qbs drafted, since 1970, than lsu. you really suck at this.
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The SEC school that has produced the most drafted quarterbacks, at least over the last 40 years, is LSU. The Tigers have had eight quarterbacks drafted since 1990 and 10 since 1970. Mettenberger would be the 11th.
Again, you do realize you can look things up before you post something so you don't look like a retard.
I feel i need to say this. It's not opinion that lsu has had the most qbs drafted since 1970, IT'S A frickING FACT,BOY
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I'll quote this again because the fact that you'd even say this says it all. And you claim that I don't understand football
Also if you just posted JJ'S stats and historical rankings without his name, most people would say that's a decent career.
quote:Guess you don't understand that your biased and subjective opinion isn't a fact just because you think it is. Are you one of those assholes that thinks the world owes you something because your thoughts and feelings are special and more valid than the rest of the world's?
I care about facts. I don't care about a biased and subjective opinion. In no way is an opinion on the same level as a fact.
quote:Actually it is, the vast majority of people would disagree with you. It's my opinion that Jordan Jefferson sucked and most people would agree with me. The fact that you're portraying yourself as a football guru when you clearly don't know shite about the game or have any special qualifications is a sign that you might be a little off
Again, it's not my opinion that JJ didn't have a shitty career
quote:Congratulations, that fact is disregarded by most people that understand what it takes to get in a record book. Hint: whoever gets the most reps usually gets in it
It's a fact that he is ranked in the top 6 in every major passing statistic.
quote:Ooooook. And did you catch the part where 11 QB's have gotten drafted and Jefferson wasn't one of them? Did you think to call a few NFL General Managers and tell them that they're idiots for not taking Jefferson because he was higher in the record books than at least 5 LSU draftees since 1970? Since the record books matter so much and all
It's not opinion that lsu has had the most qbs drafted since 1970, IT'S A frickING FACT,BOY
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:59 pm to southeasttiger113
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Ooooook. And did you catch the part where 11 QB's have gotten drafted and Jefferson wasn't one of them? Did you think to call a few NFL General Managers and tell them that they're idiots for not taking Jefferson because he was higher in the record books than at least 5 LSU draftees since 1970? Since the record books matter so much and all
YOU SAID
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Yea, a top 15 program that's never been known for having good quarterbacks or quarterback play. Very impressive
What does JJ not getting drafted have to do with anything? Can you not follow your own arguments?
Also not making it as an nfl qb doesn't mean you can't be a decent college qb. Tim Tebow struggles to make a nfl roster and he is one of, if not the, greatest qbs in cfb history.
You said JJ being top 6 in every major passing statistic in lsu history ISN'T impressive because LSU isn't known to produce or have good qbs. WHEN THE FACTS SAY THAT ,SINCE 1970, NO SEC PROGRAM HAS PRODUCED MORE NFL QBS THAN LSU.
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Guess you don't understand that your biased and subjective opinion isn't a fact just because you think it is.
Wow you really are operating on double digit iq.
It's not my opinion that JJ is ranked top 6 in every major passing statistic in lsu history. It's not my opinion that JJ has the 6th best compl % in lsu history. THEY ARE FACTS BACKED UP BY STATS. I haven't given an opinion. I've stated facts about JJ'S career. Good god you're stupid.
What's really sad is that you've had your arse handed to you this entire thread and yet you probably think you've won the argument.
I'll list the things you've been PROVEN wrong about.
1. Our offense sucked in 2011 once JJ became qb.
Our Yards per play was the highest it ever was
2. Our passing offense got substantially worse with JJ.
the only thing that dropped was passing attempts
3. JJ wasnt a running threat
he is the lsu single season and career qb rushing record holder
4. Herb Tyler played behind god awful olines
he actually played behind some of the best olinemen to ever wear purple and gold
5. Herb Tyler played on bad teams.
Lsu had back to back top 15 finishes
6. JJ never had a good completion %.
Only 5 qbs in the history of lsu football have a higher career compl %
7. JJ'S career rankings aren't impressive because LSU doesn't produce good qbs.
since 1970 no sec program has produced more nfl qbs than lsu
The italicized statements above are not my opinion. They are Facts backed up by stats.
It's a fact JJ has the 6th highest compl % in lsu history.
It's a fact that lsu has produced more qb than any sec program since 1970.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 12:06 am
Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I mean are you arguing just for the sake of being right or are you attempting to tie it into something relevant to the discussion? I mean LSU isn't known for being big on elite QB play considering that only two of those drafted QB's were first rounders and while that's an impressive stat, it does nothing but refute your argument that the best quarterbacks are the highest in LSU's record books. If that was true then Jefferson wouldn't be in the top 11 considering he didn't even get drafted
What does JJ not getting drafted have to do with anything? Can you not follow your own arguments?
quote:Actually Mensa paid for a portion of my school after my scholarship money ran out, FYI I'm technically pretty deep into the genius range since you want to bring it up, not that having a high IQ is useful for anything other than seeing patterns in numbers and shapes. I can "follow my own arguments" just fine, you're the one that thinks every single minute detail of everything that's said needs to be argued even if it's irrelevant to the conversation we're having. That's the mark of a complete dumbfrick just in case you were wondering
Wow you really are operating on double digit iq.
quote:That guy that accounted for 150 touchdowns in his career? What exactly do he and Jefferson have in common? You're grasping at straws big time if you think Jefferson didn't make it in the NFL for the same reasons that Tebow did or that Jefferson was even a poor man's Tebow.
Tim Tebow
quote:Already explained to you why this is irrelevant
1. Our offense sucked in 2011 once JJ became qb.
Our Yards per play was the highest it ever was
quote:It did, this has already been discussed in great detail
2. Our passing offense got substantially worse with JJ.
the only thing that dropped was passing attempts
quote:Never said this, we've already discussed this so, again, go read my response the last 15 times you said this
3. JJ wasnt a running threat
quote:Faneca and McClure. What about the other 5-7 guys that it takes to have a good offensive line? Admittedly I could be wrong about that but you talking about McClure and Faneca does nothing to prove that the offensive line was a good unit
4. Herb Tyler played behind god awful olines
he actually played behind some of the best olinemen to ever wear purple and gold
quote:For the 30th time, we were talking about his senior year when LSU went 4-7
5. Herb Tyler played on bad teams.
quote:Again, I was referring to his completion percentage being worse than Jarrett Lee's in 2011
6. JJ never had a good completion %.
quote:You JUST frickING SAID that college and the NFL aren't related at all. We're not known for having highly productive QB's and you're a dumbass homer if you think we do
7. JJ'S career rankings aren't impressive because LSU doesn't produce good qbs.
since 1970 no sec program has produced more nfl qbs than lsu
Posted on 7/13/15 at 5:29 am to southeasttiger113
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You JUST frickING SAID that college and the NFL aren't related at all. We're not known for having highly productive QB's and you're a dumbass homer if you think we d
Holy shite bruh. Since 1970 no program has had more qbs drafted than lsu. THAT'S NOR MY GOD DAMN OPINION. it's a mother fricking fact.
You're fricking retarded.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 5:35 am to southeasttiger113
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Faneca and McClure. What about the other 5-7 guys that it takes to have a good offensive line? Admittedly I could be wrong about that but you talking about McClure and Faneca does nothing to prove that the offensive line was a good u
I already said ben bordelon was also all sec.
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For the 30th time, we were talking about his senior year when LSU went 4-7
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No the frick we weren't.
quote:
Again, I was referring to his completion percentage being worse than Jarrett Lee's in 2011
You said he never had a good completion %. In no way did you mean 2011. Get grip on reality bitch
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:27 am to southeasttiger113
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judging by your grammar and analytical skills I'm guessing that me and you have a very different definition of "good" in a lot of facets of life
You and I.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:37 am to Powerman
What we need is positive LSU topics ,I get tired of reading you child murderers,well (maybe I over state my self a little ),But I get tired of the negative threads,I do like to hear what our team members are doing over the summer !
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:17 am to chilge1
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You and I.
Right but MENSA helped pay for his college. The guy has to be a troll. You can't he as consistently wrong as he is without trying and he constantly changes his arguments once proven wrong.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:41 am to southeasttiger113
quote:You missed the point, entirely. The point is NOT that Jefferson played great in those games. The point is that Lee barely played in those three games.quote:And in those 3 games he threw for less than 60 yards twice
Jefferson had almost three whole games against Top Five defenses
Oh, and to address your "point" about Jefferson's play in two of those games, let's discuss Lee's play in those three games. Lee threw THREE completions to his own team for 24 yards. Lee threw TWO completions to the opposite team for 14 yards.
Lee's efficiency rating for those three games is 14.51.
Jefferson's efficiency rating for those three games is 123.62.
Lee's QBR for those three games is 2.5.
quote:First, your statement that Jefferson "got very limited garbage time otherwise" is bullshite. Jefferson did NOT play garbage time. His first play back was the first TD in the Kentucky. That was NOT garbage time. And did you completely forget the Alabama game? That was NOT garbage time. I could go on, but I'm going to recap every game after Jefferson came back. Suffice to say, I've proved your statement is bullshite.quote:So fricking what? Jefferson played against Western Kentucky, a terrible Ole Miss, and Arkansas, and got very limited garbage time otherwise. This means absolutely nothing
For the record, Jefferson had better stats at the end of the regular season. Jefferson had a higher Comp%, higher efficiency, higher YPA, and lower Interception %.
In a comparison between Lee and Jefferson, YOU characterize ONE of Jefferson's opponent's, Ole Miss, as "terrible." Since it's a comparison between Lee and Jefferson, let's examine their opponents. Lee played against 4 of the 5 worst defenses LSU faced in 2011. In two of those five games, Lee completed 45% and 38% of his passes.
Oh, and in that game against "terrible" Ole Miss, an SEC team nonetheless, Jefferson was a perfect 7 for 7. He completed every pass play called by the coaching staff. I don't know what else you want him to do. He doesn't get to call the plays.
quote:208 yards is not enough for you? LSU had only one other game all season with more passing yards. 88 yards is not enough for you? Jefferson completed 100% of his passes in that game. He could not have gotten more passing yards because he does not call the plays.quote:Um what? Jefferson passed for 208 yards, 168 yards, and a pathetic 88 yards against Ole Miss. It's cool that our running backs apparently exploded against those three teams and all but Jefferson had virtually nothing to do with that
Jefferson's three regular season starts were LSU's three best offensive games of the season for 2011.
Our running backs "exploded" against those three teams in large part BECAUSE Jefferson was the QB. LSU ran the ball better when Jefferson was QB. A major reason why LSU ran the ball better when Jefferson was the QB is because Jefferson is a threat to run; therefore, the defense has to account for him. LSU can run options and zone reads with Jefferson at QB. He does not have to get the rushing yards, but his presence on the field allows LSU's RBs to get more rushing yards. No DC has had to worry about Lee running the ball.
quote:Offensive yards per game. Every game that Jefferson started, LSU's offense got more yards than every game that Lee started. And, as previously mentioned, Lee played against 4 of the 5 worst teams that LSU played in 2011. Seems like the offense should have exploded against one of those craptastic teams that Lee faced.quote:In what metric exactly?
EVERY regular season game that Jefferson started was better than EVERY regular season game that Lee started.
quote:Tight, you completely missed the point again. The point is that not only does LSU run the ball better with Jefferson on the field, LSU can pass the ball effectively with Jefferson on the field. Oh, and in case you missed it. Lee had the #1 passing game in 8 starts. Jefferson got the #2 passing game in only 3 starts. And there's only five yards difference between the two games.quote:Tight, LSU's first best passing game happpened with Lee started
LSU's second best passing game happened when Jefferson started.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:46 am to southeasttiger113
quote:As explained, LSU ran the ball better when Jefferson was the QB, and Ole Miss was not the worst team LSU faced in 2011. And again, Lee faced 4 of the 5 worst teams. Why didn't LSU have a better offensive game in any of his starts than in any of Jefferson's starts.quote:This had virtually nothing to do with Jefferson. Ole Miss was soft as hell and I could've handed the ball off 50 times that game and our RB's would've had the same stats
LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.
quote:Meaningless title? You do realize that running moves the ball as well as passing, right? A Jefferson led offense moved the ball better in EVERY game that Jefferson started than in ANY game that Lee started. What is meaningless is your comparison of games over 150 yards. Where have you ever seen that metric published? No one tracks how many times a QB gets over 150 yards. If you ask any coach or fan which they care about more, (1) the opposing QB passing for more than 150 yards, or (2) the total yards gained by the opposing team in the game, every single one of them, except you, will say that total yards matters much, much more.quote:Again, this didn't really have anything to do with Jefferson. Lee's best game was better than Jefferson's best game, he just didn't have the running support to give him this meaningless title
LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.
quote:Again, you're ignoring the Alabama game (the best defense LSU faced), and the fact that Lee faced 4 of the 5 worst defenses.quote:
Compare regular season numbers.
Again, the majority of those came from Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. Not very impressive
quote:Did I mention that Lee faced 4 of the 5 worst defenses? I'm pretty sure I did, and I'm pretty sure that you have not even considered it. And AGAIN, LSU rushes the ball better when Jefferson is the QB. That's a fact.quote:This has absolutely nothing to do with Jefferson. Western Kentucky was a joke and Ole Miss and Arkansas had god awful rush defenses in 2011. Did JJ put our running backs on his back and carry them downfield in those games? His effect on their success was negligible
And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack. LSU rushed for over 250 yards in every game of Jefferson’s three starts.
quote:I think you understand that championship games are fundamentally different. And perhaps you forget that LSU rushed for over 200 yards against Georgia.quote:How convenient is that? We can just ignore the games that Jefferson threw for 30 and 53 yards!
Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't
I say:
quote:You respond:
From the moment that Jefferson threw his first pass in the Florida game in 2011, he had a higher QB Rating than Lee. Jefferson had a better efficiency rating than Lee, and that better efficiency continued for the rest of the regular season. That's right, from his first pass until the end of the regular season, Jefferson was more efficient than Lee.
So when folks say that Lee was an efficient QB, the "most efficient" QB in the SEC or in the nation, at no point during the regular season, from the time Jefferson threw his first pass until the end of the regular season, was Lee more efficient than Jefferson.
quote:There you go again with your characterizations about the defenses that Jefferson faced. But who faced 4 of the 5 worst defenses IN THE REGULAR SEASON? HINT: It was not Jefferson. Hey, I'm counting those craptastic teams that Lee faced. I'm not discounting them at all. But to suggest that the SECCG and the BCSCG are comparable to the regular season is beyond ludicrous. You can't compare apples to washing machines.
You sure do love the qualifier regular season don't you? Wonder why that is? Maybe because if you expand the scope of your argument past a terrible Western Kentucky, a terrible Ole Miss, and an overrated Arkansas then your whole argument about Jefferson's stats being better is completely false? Jefferson beat up on two terrible teams, had ONE good game against an ok Arkansas team, and completely embarrassed himself in the SECCG and national championship games. But please keep twisting stats to make it seem like your son was better than Jarrett, Mr Jefferson.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:06 am to Salviati
Good luck with that. 
Posted on 7/13/15 at 1:01 pm to Salviati
Bruh yoh might as well stop. Southeastern thinks stats and facts are opinions.
He had said so many wrong things that I've proven wrong that it's funny
He had said so many wrong things that I've proven wrong that it's funny
Posted on 7/13/15 at 1:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah my degree from Duke screams uneducated. Get a clue boy.
You graduated from Duke???? But yet you are on a message board getting your panties in a wad and calling people names just cause they don't agree with you...... That's funny.....
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