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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:05 pm to southeasttiger113
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:05 pm to southeasttiger113
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passed for 67 yards against Alabama...are you seriously trying to turn that into an argument in your favor
When we passed for 90 yards total and JLEE has 7 attempts and 2ints? Yes.
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ur offense still sucked against Bama and his only good game was against a mediocre Arkansas defense.
JLee was worse against Bama and Arky was the 3rd best team we played all year. You act as if JLEE played against top 10 defenses. JLee had absolute shite game against Kentucky.8/21.
Look I'm done. You think your biased opinion should be put above fricking facts. Get clue. For your info don't day Herb TYLER played on shut teams because it let's everyone know you're stupid.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:06 pm
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:09 pm to southeasttiger113
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Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, RP, Mett, even Jarrett Lee looked alright his senior year. The only shitty QB's he's had have been Jefferson and Jennings since he got here, can we tone down the "Miles can't have a good QB" rhetoric? It's bullshite and fueling it will only lead to unnecessary problems in LSU football and Miles' public perception
To be fair, Mett fell into his lap. Also, if you're using Lee as point of argument for Miles' ability to recruit QB's, you need to re-evaluate the argument.
Miles recruits highly touted QB's coming out of highschool. Problem is, they are 100% the opposite of what we need in our system.
We've had major success with proto-typical pocket passers. We've struggled mightily with ATH types Miles insists on bringing in.
Thank God we have a solid defensive team, otherwise we'd be bottom tier in the SEC year in and year out.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:He did. Florida had a higher ranked pass defense than Georgia and had a top 10 total defense. Lee threw for 150 yards against Florida and Jefferson threw for 30 yards against Georgia.
You act as if JLEE played against top 10 defenses
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Arky was the 3rd best team we played all year
Defensive rankings of the teams that we played in 2011:
Oregon: 67
West Virginia: 33
Mississippi State: 35
Kentucky: 58
Florida: 8
Tennessee: 27
Auburn: 80
Alabama: 1
Western Kentucky: 123
Ole Miss: 110
Arkansas: 47
Georgia: 6
Actually, Arkansas was the 7th best team that we faced all year defensively. "THIS IS NOT OPINION, THIS IS FACT BACKED BY STATS".
quote:You're barely literate and you're presenting random stats as something that backs your equally random arguments. Saying that Arkansas was the third best team that we faced all year is complete bullshite and it's an incorrect opinion backed by NO STATS
Look I'm done. You think your biased opinion should be put above fricking facts. Get clue.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:49 pm to southeasttiger113
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Defensive rankings of the teams that we played in 2011:
Oregon: 67
West Virginia: 33
Mississippi State: 35
Kentucky: 58
Florida: 8
Tennessee: 27
Auburn: 80
Alabama: 1
Western Kentucky: 123
Ole Miss: 110
Arkansas: 47
Georgia: 6
I'd love to see a link for this, as there were only 120 FBS schools in 2011.
ETA: You also conveniently chose to leave out NW State, an FCS school.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:00 pm to chilge1
Split hairs on Western Kentucky because you don't have a reply for anything else I said 
I was looking at their ranking in 2014 but everything else is accurate aside from Ole Miss where I accidentally put their pass defense instead of total defense which was 90. Care to touch on any of the other 700 words I typed, dumbass?
I was looking at their ranking in 2014 but everything else is accurate aside from Ole Miss where I accidentally put their pass defense instead of total defense which was 90. Care to touch on any of the other 700 words I typed, dumbass?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I'm officially done talking to you.
Let it go dude. Why you're running interference for a QB who will never go down in Tiger lore with any real positive feelings or thoughts is mind-blowing.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:05 pm to chilge1
quote:Northwestern State had absolutely nothing to do with that post. He said that Arkansas was the third best team we played and I posted the defensive rankings of the teams we played to clarify that they were actually 7th. NWST wouldn't have changed that.
You also conveniently chose to leave out NW State, an FCS school.
I get that you're grasping at straws to make it seem like I'm pulling the same shite that you did when you left out half of the teams on the schedule to make Jefferson look better than Lee but please go frick yourself and stay out of this
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:11 pm to southeasttiger113
Let's take it slowly so you can keep up....
LSU fails to put any points on the board in the 1st Qtr, and following an interception thrown by Jarrett Lee, Miles puts in Jefferson and we get our first points of the game on the second drive of the 2nd Qtr as time expires.
After failing to score on the opening drive of the 3rd Qtr, Miles re-inserts Lee, who promptly throws another interception, marking back to back picks. Miles re-inserts Jefferson into the lineup, and behind his 67 passing yards and 43 rushing yards (Alabama surrendered just 180 ypg on the season), we win the game in OT.
Following that loss, Alabama drops from #2 in the BCS poll all the way down to #3.
It has been pointed out to you that for the final three seasons of the regular season, the LSU offense recorded higher total yardage outputs. With the exception of the Florida game, they also recorded higher yards per play than at any time earlier in the season.
Here's an answer for you: while you're looking at pure passing statistics, a running QB has an impact on the running game, if not by rushing for 100 ypg, then by opening up running lanes for the backs by way of forcing the LBs to account for another rusher.
Jefferson was successful in this regard.
Next, still arguing on the basis of pure passing yardage, you claim Jefferson was inferior to Lee, and deny a heavier commitment to the running game, citing no discernable dropoff in rushing attempts.
We ran the ball more effectively, and more often with a running QB.
We passed the ball more effectively, and more often with a dropback QB.
LSU, as a team, offensively, as more effective when they had Jefferson in the lineup and committed to the running game... and the increase in production cannot be attributed to the ranking of the opponent's rushing defense.
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Jarrett Lee played admirably for the first 8 games of 2011, putting up the following PASSING numbers against the following defenses.
Oregon - #35 Passing, #35 Rushing
97.9 QB Rat, 10/22 98 yards 1 TD
NW State - N/A
234.7 QB Rat., 9/10 133 yards 1 TD
MS State - #27 Passing, #29 Rushing
148.9 QB Rat., 21/27 213 yards 1 TD 1 INT
W Virginia - #10 Passing, #56 Rushing
146.5 QB Rat., 16/28 180 yards 3 TD
Kentucky - #30 Passing, #76 Rushing
121.4 QB Rat., 8/21 169 yards 1 TD
Florida - #24 Passing, #14 Rushing
232.4 QB Rat., 7/10 154 yards 1 TD
Tennessee - #51 Passing, #73 Rushing
202.9 QB Rat., 13/17 138 yards 3 TD
Auburn - #91 Passing, #86 Rushing
172.3 QB Rat., 14/20 165 yards 2 TD
Alabama - #1 Passing, #1 Rushing
14.5 QB Rat., 3/7 24 yards 2 INT
LSU fails to put any points on the board in the 1st Qtr, and following an interception thrown by Jarrett Lee, Miles puts in Jefferson and we get our first points of the game on the second drive of the 2nd Qtr as time expires.
After failing to score on the opening drive of the 3rd Qtr, Miles re-inserts Lee, who promptly throws another interception, marking back to back picks. Miles re-inserts Jefferson into the lineup, and behind his 67 passing yards and 43 rushing yards (Alabama surrendered just 180 ypg on the season), we win the game in OT.
Following that loss, Alabama drops from #2 in the BCS poll all the way down to #3.
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Following that win, Jefferson played admirably for the next 4 games, putting up the following TOTAL numbers against the following defenses:
Western Kentucky - #38 Passing, #58 Rushing
181.5 QB Rat., 8/14 168 yards 1 TD, 5 rushes 20 yards
Ole Miss - #90 Passing, #117 Rushing
252.7 QB Rat., 7/7 88 yards 1 TD, 6 rushes 26 yards
Arkansas - #15 Passing, #72 Rushing
126.8 QB Rat., 18/29 208 yards 1 TD 1 INT, 7 rushes 53 yards 1 TD
Georgia - #4 Passing, #21 Rushing
83.2 QB Rat., 5/13 30 yards 1 TD
It has been pointed out to you that for the final three seasons of the regular season, the LSU offense recorded higher total yardage outputs. With the exception of the Florida game, they also recorded higher yards per play than at any time earlier in the season.
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You attempt to explain this away as playing soft rushing defenses and the running backs EXPLODING, against the #58, #117, and #72 rushing defenses.
At no point have you tried to explain why the running backs were not able to achieve similar results against defenses who, against the run, ranked #56, #76, #73, #86, in addition to an FCS school.
Here's an answer for you: while you're looking at pure passing statistics, a running QB has an impact on the running game, if not by rushing for 100 ypg, then by opening up running lanes for the backs by way of forcing the LBs to account for another rusher.
Jefferson was successful in this regard.
Next, still arguing on the basis of pure passing yardage, you claim Jefferson was inferior to Lee, and deny a heavier commitment to the running game, citing no discernable dropoff in rushing attempts.
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For the 8 games of the season where Lee was the starting QB, we averaged:
66 plays per game - 44 rushing (66%)/22 passing (33%)
For the 4 games of the season where JJ was the starting QB, we averaged:
60 plays per game - 43 rushing (72%)/17 passing (28%)
We ran the ball more effectively, and more often with a running QB.
We passed the ball more effectively, and more often with a dropback QB.
LSU, as a team, offensively, as more effective when they had Jefferson in the lineup and committed to the running game... and the increase in production cannot be attributed to the ranking of the opponent's rushing defense.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:22 pm to chilge1
You literally just gave a synopsis of 3 games that make Jefferson look better than Lee. This is why I've repeatedly called you a crawfishing dumbass.
quote:This is your opinion, and it's wrong, so go be a moron in another thread. You pick and choose which stats from which games you want to look at then make a pathetic attempt to tie them into your idiotic opinions of how much Jefferson's mediocre running ability changed games to overcompensate for the fact that he only threw for 67, 30, and 50 yards in the 3 games that he played against top 10 defenses. Jefferson sucked, get the frick over it and go do something else with your time
and the increase in production cannot be attributed to the ranking of the opponent's rushing defense.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's also already been pointed out that using total offense and total defense to determine the success of an offense or defense is fricking bullshite
This statement is bullshite...Just like you saying beating ranked teams during the season is bllshit...You are getting toasted here.. You need to just stop and move on... Lee started and led LSU to wins over 5 ranked teams in 2011. JJ played against 3 ranked teams and SUCKED in two of those....
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:24 pm to southeasttiger113
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he only threw for 67, 30, and 50 yards in the 3 games that he played against top 10 defenses.
Top 4 actually... Lee threw for 24 total yards and threw an interception every 3.5 attempts against such teams.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:27 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:quote:
and the increase in production cannot be attributed to the ranking of the opponent's rushing defense.
This is your opinion, and it's wrong,
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You attempt to explain this away as playing soft rushing defenses and the running backs EXPLODING, against the #58, #117, and #72 rushing defenses.
At no point have you tried to explain why the running backs were not able to achieve similar results against defenses who, against the run, ranked #56, #76, #73, #86, in addition to an FCS school.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:36 pm to dcrews
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be fair, Mett fell into his lap.
WhAt? Mett had to be recruited just like any qb.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:38 pm to chilge1
I never posted that. Now you're literally quoting things that I didn't say so you'll have a leg to stand on? You're really smart 
ETA: and regardless, Jefferson still sucked and everyone who isn't a complete idiot knows it. You're not convincing anyone otherwise so save yourself some of the little brainpower that you have and go do something productive
ETA: and regardless, Jefferson still sucked and everyone who isn't a complete idiot knows it. You're not convincing anyone otherwise so save yourself some of the little brainpower that you have and go do something productive
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:39 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Let it go dude. Why you're running interference for a QB who will never go down in Tiger lore with any real positive feelings or thoughts is mind-blowing.
Again, I think JLEE shouldve remained starting in 2011. But this notion that JJ was a horrible qb his entire career makes the lsu program look like shite. How can a horrible qb be top 5 in every major passing ranking in lsu history? He started just over 2 years worth of games so it's not like he padded stats because of playing for 4 years. When you say JJ sucked his entire career you're saying lsu's football program isn't all that good because a shitty qb is in the top 6 of all lsu's passing records.
Eta: I love how stating facts about JJ'S career is running interference. How dare someone state facts about a player that gave more to lsu football on Wednesday during the off season than anyone.in this thread ever will.
I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:43 pm to southeasttiger113
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I never posted that. Now you're literally quoting things that I didn't say so you'll have a leg to stand on? You're really smart
Why don't you scroll up about five posts and look at who DID post it?
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Jefferson still sucked and everyone who isn't a complete idiot knows it.
He was no better or worse than Lee, just a different breed of QB.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:44 pm to dcrews
Perrilloux set Miles back quite a bit.
He was sec championship mvp
People seem to forget him when mentioning Miles qb recruits
He was sec championship mvp
People seem to forget him when mentioning Miles qb recruits
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:This is complete bullshite. Jefferson was able to get playtime in 7 games as a freshman, start 12 and 13 games in his sophomore and junior seasons, and start almost half of his senior season along with getting playtime in all but 4 games, backed by some of the best talent we've ever had at LSU. How many quarterbacks had more than 678 attempts in their careers at LSU with 100+ attempts in their sophomore, junior, and senior seasons? Probably none, give it up. The dude was complete fricking garbage so go do something else with your time
He started just over 2 years worth of games so it's not like he padded stats because of playing for 4 years.
quote:Piping hot take
When you say JJ sucked his entire career you're saying lsu's football program isn't all that good because a shitty qb is in the top 6 of all lsu's passing records
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:50 pm to chilge1
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was no better or worse than Lee, just a different breed of QB.
EXactly.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:52 pm to chilge1
quote:And they both had shitty careers. Lee was just serviceable in his senior year and Jefferson continued to put up ~50 yards a game against elite teams. They both sucked and shouldn't have seen the field at LSU until at least their junior/seniors years, and maybe things would've been different if so, but to act like a pair of QB's who couldn't throw for 200 yards a game more than once in a season were anything but terrible is a joke
He was no better or worse than Lee, just a different breed of QB.
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