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Aggies Should Join the SEC
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:10 am
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:10 am
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:18 am to RhodeIslandRed
This stands out in that article
If that happened and Texas is on the outside, they could lose in the end to A&M.
quote:
On the other hand, A&M in the SEC would be able to market itself as the SEC team in Texas, the lone opportunity for hotshot Texas recruits to play in the best football conference in America.
If that happened and Texas is on the outside, they could lose in the end to A&M.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:20 am to los angeles tiger
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On the other hand, A&M in the SEC would be able to market itself as the SEC team in Texas, the lone opportunity for hotshot Texas recruits to play in the best football conference in America.
yes please
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:30 am to los angeles tiger
do we not see a potential problems of recruits that we would normally snipe from texas staying in state to go to A&M if they were in the SEC?
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:34 am to ThePoo
I think a&m would definitely be better off by joining the SEC. they would probably struggle for a couple of seasons. But just like you said, they could definitely sell the SEC to recruits and get out of UT's shadow.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:54 am to RhodeIslandRed
I would love to see the Aggies join the SEC.
For this to happen, though, we would either have to add or subtract to the total of members in the SEC. It wouldn't work with 7 teams in the West and 6 in the East.
So instead of adding, I propose we subtract Vanderbilt. Whenever schools from the SEC brag about how great their conference is, Pac 10 and Big 10 fans always say, "We don't have a Vandy to beat up on." Vanderbilt is holding us back. Here is a realignment of the SEC, with the team's permanent interdivision rival directly across:
SEC West vs. SEC East
Alabama vs Tennessee
Arkansas vs South Carolina
Auburn vs Georgia
LSU vs Florida
Ole Miss vs Miss State
Texas A&M vs Kentucky
One con to the realignment that jumps out is the Texas A&M-Kentucky cross-division rivalry, but LSU played Kentucky for 20 consecutive seasons on a home and home basis and it wasn't a problem. I don't see the potential of the Egg Bowl being a rematch a week later in the SEC Championship, because the two schools have been to SEC Title Game a combined one time.
Auburn geographically should be in the SEC East (even as it stands today, because technically Nashville is farther west than Auburn), but I just can't see breaking up the LSU-Auburn rivalry, and even if you make Auburn-Alabama a permanent cross-division rival, you have the potential of the Iron Bowl being a rematch game a week later. You could move the Iron Bowl to mid-October to avoid this problem, but these schools have been playing on the final regular season weekend for years, and this game is virtually sacred and you don't want to tweek anything about it.
For this to happen, though, we would either have to add or subtract to the total of members in the SEC. It wouldn't work with 7 teams in the West and 6 in the East.
So instead of adding, I propose we subtract Vanderbilt. Whenever schools from the SEC brag about how great their conference is, Pac 10 and Big 10 fans always say, "We don't have a Vandy to beat up on." Vanderbilt is holding us back. Here is a realignment of the SEC, with the team's permanent interdivision rival directly across:
SEC West vs. SEC East
Alabama vs Tennessee
Arkansas vs South Carolina
Auburn vs Georgia
LSU vs Florida
Ole Miss vs Miss State
Texas A&M vs Kentucky
One con to the realignment that jumps out is the Texas A&M-Kentucky cross-division rivalry, but LSU played Kentucky for 20 consecutive seasons on a home and home basis and it wasn't a problem. I don't see the potential of the Egg Bowl being a rematch a week later in the SEC Championship, because the two schools have been to SEC Title Game a combined one time.
Auburn geographically should be in the SEC East (even as it stands today, because technically Nashville is farther west than Auburn), but I just can't see breaking up the LSU-Auburn rivalry, and even if you make Auburn-Alabama a permanent cross-division rival, you have the potential of the Iron Bowl being a rematch game a week later. You could move the Iron Bowl to mid-October to avoid this problem, but these schools have been playing on the final regular season weekend for years, and this game is virtually sacred and you don't want to tweek anything about it.
This post was edited on 1/29/11 at 12:57 am
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:58 am to TexanPete
We aren't kicking out vandy. They are a founding member. I'm torn on adding the Aggies. I would love to have them for the competition, but I think we lose key texas recruits that what to play in the SEC but stay closer to home. I would rather see Vtech or WV. Stay out of our recruiting area!
Posted on 1/29/11 at 1:03 am to RhodeIslandRed
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First of all A&M "is a big name program" comparable to that of LSU, Bama, Auburn, etc".
A&M does have an SEC culture of fanship/interest in their football, but to say this is a major joke. They are in no way comparable to LSU, Bama or Auburn at this time, and LSU spanked them down to reality just a few weeks ago.
I'm good with A%M in the SEC, but the SEC surely does not need them, and they are much more comparable to Arky than any other successful SEC team, and like Arky, they haven't sniffed a championship at the national level but maybe once in the last 20-25 years.
What is funny about this poor comparative analysis is that the TAMU boards were full of comments downing the LSU education and student population, and then this form of nonsense shows up from the delusional Ags. Come on!
This post was edited on 1/29/11 at 1:04 am
Posted on 1/29/11 at 1:24 am to C
quote:
We aren't kicking out vandy
Why not? They have never sniffed an SEC Championship, have only been to one bowl game since 1982 and are holding the SEC back.
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I think we lose key texas recruits that what to play in the SEC but stay closer to home.
We would gain recruits because of the newly formed LSU-A&M rivalry, not lose. More trips to College Station=more opportunities to pluck players from the Greater Houston area.
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I would rather see Vtech or WV
Baton Rouge to Blacksburg/Morgantown would be a logistical nightmare for the swim team, tennis, women's basketball, etc. Virginia and West Virginia aren't Southeastern states. Virginia may have been considered "the south" back in the Civil War era, but Blacksburg is closer to Philly than it is to Atlanta. Not the south. Texas isn't really "southeast," but College Station is in East Texas, good enough to stay inside the fringe.
This post was edited on 1/29/11 at 1:30 am
Posted on 1/29/11 at 3:37 am to TexanPete
Pete, Vandy stays. The 10 founding members are joined at the hip.
I say add A&M, stay at 13 teams for the time being, eliminate divisions, give each school four permanent rivals, and the top two teams duke it out in Atlanta.
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU
Arkansas - A&M LSU OM KY
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU
Florida - GA AU SC A&M
Georgia - FL SC AU TN
Kentucky - TN VU SC AR
Louisiana State - MSU AR OM A&M
Mississippi - MSU LSU AR VU
Mississippi State - LSU OM AL AU
South Carolina - GA FL KY A&M
Tennessee - KY VU AL GA
Texas A&M - AR LSU SC FL
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL
Ok, so LSU fans really want to play Alabama ever year. Since there's no way in hell of dropping AR/OM/MSU/A&M from this hypothetical lineup, let's up the permanent rivals to six (it has to be an even number to maintain a balance).
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU LSU GA
Arkansas - A&M LSU OM KY MSU VU
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU OM SC
Florida - GA AU SC A&M LSU KY
Georgia - FL SC AU TN VU AL
Kentucky - TN VU SC AR FL A&M
Louisiana State - MSU AR OM A&M AL FL
Mississippi - MSU LSU AR VU TN AU
Mississippi State - LSU OM AL AU AR A&M
South Carolina - GA FL KY A&M TN AU
Tennessee - KY VU AL GA SC OM
Texas A&M - AR LSU SC FL MSU KY
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL GA AR
Or...make it five permanent rivals, but give A&M only four, with four rotating games for them:
Alabama - AU TN MSU LSU GA
Arkansas - LSU A&M OM SC KY
Auburn - AL FL GA MSU TN
Florida - GA AU SC KY VU
Georgia - FL SC AU VU AL
Kentucky - TN VU SC FL AR
Louisiana State - AR MSU A&M OM AL
Mississippi - MSU VU AR LSU A&M
Mississippi State - OM LSU AL AU A&M
South Carolina - GA FL KY TN AR
Tennessee - KY VU AL SC AU
Texas A&M - AR LSU OM MSU
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM GA FL
I say add A&M, stay at 13 teams for the time being, eliminate divisions, give each school four permanent rivals, and the top two teams duke it out in Atlanta.
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU
Arkansas - A&M LSU OM KY
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU
Florida - GA AU SC A&M
Georgia - FL SC AU TN
Kentucky - TN VU SC AR
Louisiana State - MSU AR OM A&M
Mississippi - MSU LSU AR VU
Mississippi State - LSU OM AL AU
South Carolina - GA FL KY A&M
Tennessee - KY VU AL GA
Texas A&M - AR LSU SC FL
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL
Ok, so LSU fans really want to play Alabama ever year. Since there's no way in hell of dropping AR/OM/MSU/A&M from this hypothetical lineup, let's up the permanent rivals to six (it has to be an even number to maintain a balance).
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU LSU GA
Arkansas - A&M LSU OM KY MSU VU
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU OM SC
Florida - GA AU SC A&M LSU KY
Georgia - FL SC AU TN VU AL
Kentucky - TN VU SC AR FL A&M
Louisiana State - MSU AR OM A&M AL FL
Mississippi - MSU LSU AR VU TN AU
Mississippi State - LSU OM AL AU AR A&M
South Carolina - GA FL KY A&M TN AU
Tennessee - KY VU AL GA SC OM
Texas A&M - AR LSU SC FL MSU KY
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL GA AR
Or...make it five permanent rivals, but give A&M only four, with four rotating games for them:
Alabama - AU TN MSU LSU GA
Arkansas - LSU A&M OM SC KY
Auburn - AL FL GA MSU TN
Florida - GA AU SC KY VU
Georgia - FL SC AU VU AL
Kentucky - TN VU SC FL AR
Louisiana State - AR MSU A&M OM AL
Mississippi - MSU VU AR LSU A&M
Mississippi State - OM LSU AL AU A&M
South Carolina - GA FL KY TN AR
Tennessee - KY VU AL SC AU
Texas A&M - AR LSU OM MSU
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM GA FL
Posted on 1/29/11 at 4:24 am to xiv
I appreciate all the work you put into this, but I believe it either needs to be 12 or 14. I didn't know the SEC couldn't bounce Vandy since they were one of the original members of the SEC. I really wish they would have went with Tulane and Georgia Tech and joined the Metro Conference. Oh well.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 4:34 am to TexanPete
quote:They can; they just won't. It's never been discussed; if it were voted on today, it likely would be unanimously shot down.
I didn't know the SEC couldn't bounce Vandy since they were one of the original members of the SEC.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 4:52 am to xiv
quote:
it likely would be unanimously shot down.
I think if it meant substituting A&M for Vandy it wouldn't be shot down!
Posted on 1/29/11 at 7:31 am to TexanPete
get a&m and clemson/gatech
to address another point...
we need vandy... they keep our academics up
to address another point...
we need vandy... they keep our academics up

Posted on 1/29/11 at 7:53 am to RhodeIslandRed
Good link.
Vandy is not going to be kicked out. They are a charter member and can compete in other sports.
I don't like a 13 team conference. Go ahead and go to 14, seven in the east and seven in the west.
Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Arkansas and A&M in the west
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky plus one in the east.
If TV markets are that important then go to 16, eight per side. Oklahoma brings in a good team but Missouri brings in over 2m TV market in St. Louis and Kansas City.
In the east Virginia Tech bring in 1.5m with Norfolk, Richmond and Roanoke. A North Carolina school would bring in 3m with Ralaigh, Charlotte and Greenville.
The state of Texas brings in 6m with Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio.
Vandy is not going to be kicked out. They are a charter member and can compete in other sports.
I don't like a 13 team conference. Go ahead and go to 14, seven in the east and seven in the west.
Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Arkansas and A&M in the west
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky plus one in the east.
If TV markets are that important then go to 16, eight per side. Oklahoma brings in a good team but Missouri brings in over 2m TV market in St. Louis and Kansas City.
In the east Virginia Tech bring in 1.5m with Norfolk, Richmond and Roanoke. A North Carolina school would bring in 3m with Ralaigh, Charlotte and Greenville.
The state of Texas brings in 6m with Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 7:59 am to TexanPete
quote:
So instead of adding, I propose we subtract Vanderbilt. Whenever schools from the SEC brag about how great their conference is, Pac 10 and Big 10 fans always say, "We don't have a Vandy to beat up on." Vanderbilt is holding us back. Here is a realignment of the SEC, with the team's permanent interdivision rival directly across:
There are other sports besides football in the SEC. Vandy does very well in most of the others. They really can't compete in football at so many levels, but they are a good conference member otherwise.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 8:23 am to RhodeIslandRed
I believe this was already posted, but I found it intersting...
Recent post on Texags...
re: Texas A&M to SEC talks heating up?
Take it FWIW, but what you aren't seeing are the discussions on the Scout, TexAgs and Rivals premium boards.
I have 3 unrelated sources that do not know each other (One is a direct tie to an A&M regent, one is a Sooner/Tiger(LSU kind) and one is a Horn). For the first time since conference realignment heated up, they are all agreeing on the story.
From what I have been told, A&M to the SEC is a done deal. What the hold up is, is whether OU comes along, and if OU comes along (all seem to think it is likely) then OU will broker OSU and Mizzou into the SEC as well. Frankly, I'd rather it just be us.... but if someone else has to come along, I'm alright with OU. I'm not a big fan of OSU and Mizzou coming along too, but I guess if OU/OSU is really a package, then that would have to happen.
Let's just get one myth out of the way before some rebuts my post. A&M and Texas have never been a package and never will be a package. Legislative reasons for keeping them together are far less important in 2011 than in May 2010 (especially since the ESiPN contract was signed). A&M is in very good standing with the State Legislature right now, and I have perused the 100 or so pages for their funding presentation to the legislature, and it all looks great. Yes, politics helped to stem the tide in 2010, but I can promise you Perry and other lawmakers, not named Aggie or Horn, have not had any influence, nor will have any influence on this 2011 decision.
Now, for the timetable.... I have been told for a while that we would announce in June that we would go to the SEC. I have been told, as of yesterday, that it is much much sooner.
(Ball Gravy gets a little more specific about his three sources on p.7 of the same link)
My sources are a combination of being apart of the Champions Council at A&M (think higher up TAF committees), knowing the Castiglione family and those who have worked for the OU Athletic Department, and having a business relationship with a large Horn booster.... those are my 3 unrelated sources.
Couple that with what is being tossed around on some of the premium message boards and those shaking out with the stories I am hearing, and for the first time since all of this started, the stories line up across the board.
Recent post on Texags...
re: Texas A&M to SEC talks heating up?
Take it FWIW, but what you aren't seeing are the discussions on the Scout, TexAgs and Rivals premium boards.
I have 3 unrelated sources that do not know each other (One is a direct tie to an A&M regent, one is a Sooner/Tiger(LSU kind) and one is a Horn). For the first time since conference realignment heated up, they are all agreeing on the story.
From what I have been told, A&M to the SEC is a done deal. What the hold up is, is whether OU comes along, and if OU comes along (all seem to think it is likely) then OU will broker OSU and Mizzou into the SEC as well. Frankly, I'd rather it just be us.... but if someone else has to come along, I'm alright with OU. I'm not a big fan of OSU and Mizzou coming along too, but I guess if OU/OSU is really a package, then that would have to happen.
Let's just get one myth out of the way before some rebuts my post. A&M and Texas have never been a package and never will be a package. Legislative reasons for keeping them together are far less important in 2011 than in May 2010 (especially since the ESiPN contract was signed). A&M is in very good standing with the State Legislature right now, and I have perused the 100 or so pages for their funding presentation to the legislature, and it all looks great. Yes, politics helped to stem the tide in 2010, but I can promise you Perry and other lawmakers, not named Aggie or Horn, have not had any influence, nor will have any influence on this 2011 decision.
Now, for the timetable.... I have been told for a while that we would announce in June that we would go to the SEC. I have been told, as of yesterday, that it is much much sooner.
(Ball Gravy gets a little more specific about his three sources on p.7 of the same link)
My sources are a combination of being apart of the Champions Council at A&M (think higher up TAF committees), knowing the Castiglione family and those who have worked for the OU Athletic Department, and having a business relationship with a large Horn booster.... those are my 3 unrelated sources.
Couple that with what is being tossed around on some of the premium message boards and those shaking out with the stories I am hearing, and for the first time since all of this started, the stories line up across the board.
Posted on 1/29/11 at 8:24 am to TexanPete
quote:
They have never sniffed an SEC Championship
You do realize that the SEC competes in more sports than just football, right? Vanderbilt has a great baseball program, and have traditionally done well in both men's and women's basketball.
quote:
and are holding the SEC back.



We have won the last 5 national championships and recently signed the biggest television contract in the history of college sports. How exactly are they holding us back?
Posted on 1/29/11 at 8:25 am to TexanPete
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I think if it meant substituting A&M for Vandy it wouldn't be shot down!
I think you are dumb as all frick
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