re: A THEORY about the band ban move

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The full band goes to 1 away game per year. How much money will be saved on that 1 game by sending a pep band instead?

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About $70,000.00.

I think it's even simpler than that. No opposing band means that smaller schools will likely demand a smaller allotment. Smaller allotment means more tickets for the taf to sell.

Reducing expenses for the Toger Band by getting them uninvited from opposing stadiums, thereby freeing up MORE money for the school of music post Roy is just icing on thr cake.

Step 1: break down money wall between TAF and School of Music

Step 2: alienate opposing bands to free up tickets from opposing fan allotments

Step 3: hope that said alienation results in Tiger Band being banned from opposing stadiums, freeing up more tickets for TAF to sell to fans

Step 4: decline in interest in tiger band from public and musicians justifies reduction in size of tiger band

School of Music wins
TAF wins
Fans lose

The LSU administration has proved its willingness to cause massive disgust by destroying timeless traditions, alienate students and alumni, and look like unprofessional nincompoops on the national stage all in the name of squeezing just a little bit more money out of the fanbase and legislature.

All of this will (and in some respects, already has) come back to haunt them in the form of declining attendance, shrinking ticket sales, declining concessions sales, reduction in donations from disgusted alumni, and legislators slashing LSU's budget out of spite due to their offensive and condescending rhetoric.

Our AD wasn't trying to screw y'all over; he was actually trying to stick it to our band. Don't take it personally.

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Reducing expenses for the Tiger Band by getting them uninvited from opposing stadiums, thereby freeing up MORE money for the school of music post Roy is just icing on the cake.

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BINGO......One of the LSU documents I saw concerning Roy's dismissal stated that the dean of the school of music will make all decisions as to how the Tiger Band budget is spent (instead of athletics or TAF). My understanding is that athletics has been "protecting" the tiger band budget from those greedy morons in the school of music for many years. Roy was fighting the impending change in that policy. Now that Roy is gone and the upper administration (F King) is supporting this change, the tiger band will eventually become a slush fund for the school of music.

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What theory? JSU band travel cost vs LSU band travel cost has nothing to do with what is/has happened.

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The “theory” is the original post of the thread. In section 3 of that post, the author states that if JSU’s band saves $120K by not coming to Baton Rouge then LSU would save even more by not going to other stadiums. I was pointing out that LSU would not save more because the LSU band is not larger than JSU. It is smaller than the JSU band so it’s savings would be less.

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CLIFFS: LSU money hungry Admins gambled and bet that if we banned other bands from playing at halftime, then all other teams would ban LSU's traveling band from attending their stadiums. This would save around 1 million dollars a year in ticket costs, room and board, travel costs etc. They lied blaming it on safety concerns, and we didn't bite

Congratulations on being the first person to come up with this theory.

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He's right, but see my post on the original thread for more info on the issue, including the cost of a Tiger Band trip to an SEC game. I haven't seen the Jax State band in a couple of decades, but based on their history and reputation, I would suspect that they are probably larger than Tiger Band. So don't assume that if their trip costs $120,000 a Tiger Band trip will cost more.

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In my initial post (on p. 5), I wrote about how this policy was actually put in place last year, and how the "Safety" issue was only brought up after Alleva's first excuse for not allowing the Auburn band to perform didn't fly. I neglected to delve into the backstory. Here it is:

A few years ago Alleva proposed at the SEC meeting that there would be no full band trips by any SEC school to an SEC game. His ulterior motive for this is that he wanted to cut out Tiger Band's travel budget. (For background, Tiger Band used to go to two away games per season through the early 80s. At some point in the mid-80s, this was reduced to one trip per season.) His proposal was pretty soundly defeated by the other ADs. He then offered a new proposal: each school's AD would have total control over what goes on at halftime. The other ADs went along with this, at least partially as a way to mollify him after his initial proposal was shot down.

The decision to prevent visiting bands from performing at Tiger Stadium is his way to achieve his initial goal. The idea is that if visiting bands aren't allowed in Tiger Stadium, other schools will similarly refuse to let Tiger Band perform in their stadiums. So he won't have to pay for a Tiger Band trip each season, AND he can blame it on other schools.

What kind of money are we talking about? The average full band trip for Tiger Band to an SEC game runs about $100,000. But, of course, if the full band doesn't go, a pep band is sent. A pep band trip runs about $30,000. So he saves roughly $70,000 if Tiger Band does not go to an SEC game. (Remember, the athletic dept. budget is well north of 100 million! Seventy thousand is a rounding error.)

But, wait....it gets better! In the years when LSU participates in one of these kick-off classic games (such as our opening game against Wisky this season), the financing is similar to a bowl game. In other words, LSU pays little or nothing for Tiger Band's travel to such a game. But Alleva counts such a game as Tiger Band's full band trip for the year, thus saving the money he would have spent if the band went to a crucial SEC game such as Bama or Auburn. Pretty slick.....

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CLIFFS: LSU money hungry Admins gambled and bet that if we banned other bands from playing at halftime, then all other teams would ban LSU's traveling band from attending their stadiums. This would save around 1 million dollars a year in ticket costs, room and board, travel costs etc. They lied blaming it on safety concerns, and we didn't bite

Congratulations on being the first person to come up with this theory.


He's right, but see my post on the original thread for more info on the issue, including the cost of a Tiger Band trip to an SEC game. I haven't seen the Jax State band in a couple of decades, but based on their history and reputation, I would suspect that they are probably larger than Tiger Band. So don't assume that if their trip costs $120,000 a Tiger Band trip will cost more.

LINK - Here's the text:
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In my initial post (on p. 5), I wrote about how this policy was actually put in place last year, and how the "Safety" issue was only brought up after Alleva's first excuse for not allowing the Auburn band to perform didn't fly. I neglected to delve into the backstory. Here it is:

A few years ago Alleva proposed at the SEC meeting that there would be no full band trips by any SEC school to an SEC game. His ulterior motive for this is that he wanted to cut out Tiger Band's travel budget. (For background, Tiger Band used to go to two away games per season through the early 80s. At some point in the mid-80s, this was reduced to one trip per season.) His proposal was pretty soundly defeated by the other ADs. He then offered a new proposal: each school's AD would have total control over what goes on at halftime. The other ADs went along with this, at least partially as a way to mollify him after his initial proposal was shot down.

The decision to prevent visiting bands from performing at Tiger Stadium is his way to achieve his initial goal. The idea is that if visiting bands aren't allowed in Tiger Stadium, other schools will similarly refuse to let Tiger Band perform in their stadiums. So he won't have to pay for a Tiger Band trip each season, AND he can blame it on other schools.

What kind of money are we talking about? The average full band trip for Tiger Band to an SEC game runs about $100,000. But, of course, if the full band doesn't go, a pep band is sent. A pep band trip runs about $30,000. So he saves roughly $70,000 if Tiger Band does not go to an SEC game. (Remember, the athletic dept. budget is well north of 100 million! Seventy thousand is a rounding error.)

But, wait....it gets better! In the years when LSU participates in one of these kick-off classic games (such as our opening game against Wisky this season), the financing is similar to a bowl game. In other words, LSU pays little or nothing for Tiger Band's travel to such a game. But Alleva counts such a game as Tiger Band's full band trip for the year, thus saving the money he would have spent if the band went to a crucial SEC game such as Bama or Auburn. Pretty slick.....

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*** If this is True , which I wouldn't be surprise if it is, frankly LSU has the nerve in this day and age to pull this off ... What a Bunch of Clowns we have over there !!

Soon, they will add a "entertainment card" to the cost of Season Tickets (To purchase season tickets, you must buy the "entertainment card") worth a min. of $200 to buy concession at the football games. assuring sales of there cheap hot dogs and over priced items. I Know this sounds crazy, but I would put it pass them.

What's sad is that you couldn't fit this into 140 characters so it will mostly be unread by many on this board.

A+ for effort.

I hope that the full band will still travel to neutral site games (Houston/Dallas/Atlanta) and post-season games. It would be very embarrassing to bring only a 100 member pep band to the SECCG or a bowl game.

Does anyone know what the full band trip is supposed to be for this season?

I don't think there was ever any intention of sending the full band to Wisconsin. I assumed they'd go to Auburn this season.