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re: A reasoned approach from the AD . What it might have looked like

Posted on 3/10/19 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 1:12 pm to
Reality tiger. Agreed

Talent is talent. Wade is talent. He should be re Ed ducated on the rules and face some consequences if he is proven guilty

Our other option is to act holier than thou and have him come back and kick our arse for thirty years.

See Tuscaloosa for example of said potential condition that is currently in place.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by CoolKat
Member since Apr 2016
387 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 6:26 pm to
This thread is so good that it needed a bump. So sick of all the reactionary PC nonsense in the world without awaiting all the facts before making an informed decision and passing appropriate judgement.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 6:37 pm to
He could add that anonymous, off the record sources do not meet LSU’s standards for punitive action.

Written testimony under oath might in future but not under the present cicumstances.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63510 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

Maybe that’s a little Pollyanna but business across the country allow people to make mistakes. Even big mistakes and support and invest in them understanding they will learn from their mistakes. Tossing talented people aside is not good for business.


If the reports are true, the "mistake" is about as bad as it can be.
Posted by hondo
Member since Oct 2006
1023 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:19 pm to
If violations are proven against Wade and Smart recruitment it won't matter one damn bit if Wade and Smart both are with the team from here until final loss.
Its ridiculous for LSU to think we will somehow get some consideration from NCAA for sitting Smart and Wade.
On a side note, this is exactly how Alleva handled Duke lacrosse-- guilty until proven innocent.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

He could add that anonymous, off the record sources do not meet LSU’s standards for punitive action.

Written testimony under oath might in future but not under the present circumstances.


THIS...

"While recent media reports are certainly disturbing and have our attention. Anonymous sources do not meet LSU's standards to take action at this time. In the coming months, we will be gather facts and information from all involved parties and once we feel we have a clear account of the events in question, then and only then will we proceed with disciplinary action (should any be necessary). Until that time Coach Will Wade will remain in place as the head of LSU basketball. Should new information come to light that requires that to change, the LSU administration will act accordingly."

I mean that took me 5 minutes to write
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:25 pm to
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If the reports are true, the "mistake" is about as bad as it can be.


Maybe so. But let’s take a stab at the path if it is the case.

Keep wade. Suffer the consequences for a couple years. Let him suffer them with you and then in a couple years you have a 40 year old Will Wade hat is smarter and more educated in what we expect

Fire Wade ..... and go hire the most high moral and educated guy you can find or at least think you have found.

I feel like Wade is once in a generation coaching talent. I say ride with him.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:27 pm to
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go hire the most high moral and educated guy you can find or at least think you have found.


We did that, his name was Trent Johnson... Remind me again how that worked out for us?
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:31 pm to
/We did that, his name was Trent Johnson... Remind me again how that worked out for us?/

My point exactly. We need to be thinking as an AD what will happen worse case and best case.

Coach Wade at 40 and riding through probation is better than Coach unknown after probation. And best case is Coach Wade without probation cause we stand in line and there is no there there.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

Press conference on Friday morning

-we respect the press and their role in CBB . However we don’t convict people or institutions in the press and we don’t respond to the presses accusations and wishes.

- we have been in contact with the fbi , the sec and ncaa for some time and we will cooperate as things go along

- there is not a formal ncaa investigation ...Coach Wade has not been subpoenaed .

- coach wade , his staff and this team have worked hard under trying circumstances this year . They deserve the opportunity to work hard at practice today and play hard tomorrow to put a strong exclamation point on what has been a great season .

- LSU will cooperate fully with all parties investigating this matter and will sit down with Coach Wade briefly after the season ( or after the regular season , or after the sec tourney .. pick your time ) to further the investigation.

- any rush to judgement at this point is irrational and grandstanding on the point of the media. LSU has historically shown thatvit cooperates with all governing institutions so please back off a bit.

- I will take any and all questions until you grow weary and tired . Bring it



- We asked coach Wade to meet with us to discuss these important and potentially damaging matters in private this morning so that we could clear up this matter before the basketball game tonight and he refused.
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:10 pm to
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We asked coach Wade to meet with us to discuss these important and potentially damaging matters in private this morning so that we could clear up this matter before the basketball game tonight and he refused


Yes that is what they decided to do. I believe because the BOD And F King intervened. My point is that was unnecessary. What’s your point ?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19810 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:16 pm to
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why couldn't the alleged meeting happen after the season?


I'm more convinced today than on Friday that the meeting was to tell Wade he was suspended/fired. The leaks over the last couple of days point to Lsu making a rush decision. There was never any intention to talk things through with Wade, which they knew Wade's lawyer would advise against such a meeting.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:17 pm to
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. What’s your point ?


Wade meets with his boss as requested and things might have turned out differently.

Understand that Wade's boss called him into a meeting and he refused to attend. He refused to meet with his boss. That is the sticking point. Everything else before and after this is immaterial. Refusal to meet with his boss is in itself reason for suspension.

Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Wade meets with his boss as requested and things might have turned out differently.


First of all how do you know it was a request to meet with just his bosses. He has done that already

And my point is what a reasonable approach is don’t ask him to the meeting until after the season is over . Maybe today. Or if he says I can’t until I have my attorney. Agree to wait until he gets his attorney.

And do it after the game anyway. Why do you have to require a meeting that day.

I think there was was a way around it respecting coach wade and the university needs.

And refusing to meet without an attorney is different than refusing to meet.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:55 pm to
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First of all how do you know it was a request to meet with just his bosses. He has done that already

And my point is what a reasonable approach is don’t ask him to the meeting until after the season is over . Maybe today. Or if he says I can’t until I have my attorney. Agree to wait until he gets his attorney.

And do it after the game anyway. Why do you have to require a meeting that day.

I think there was was a way around it respecting coach wade and the university needs.

And refusing to meet without an attorney is different than refusing to meet.




All of the above presupposes a lot.

Had new information surfaced since these earlier meetings? That would trigger the need for a new meeting wouldn't you think?

quote:

And my point is what a reasonable approach is don’t ask him to the meeting until after the season is over . Maybe today.


If the sole purpose of the meeting was to get this behind LSU, then a meeting prior to the game would be called for. The national media was beating up a shite storm. A P.R. following that second meeting which gave Wade unqualified backing would have calmed the storm. Not possible since the meeting to pour oil on troubled waters wasn't held.

quote:

Maybe today. Or if he says I can’t until I have my attorney. Agree to wait until he gets his attorney.


If Wade hasn't got an attorney on speed dial after what has come out so far, he is an imbecile. That justification doesn't hold water.

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And do it after the game anyway. Why do you have to require a meeting that day.



Being able to clear it all up before the game has its positives. If assuming that a meeting that day was intended to clear Wade, then his non appearance was the final nail.

quote:

And refusing to meet without an attorney is different than refusing to meet.


Again, Wade would have to be a total imbecile to have a meeting like that without one. So a refusal for any reason is a refusal, you can't qualify yourself out a situation like this.


The basic point was and still is. Wade was asked to a meeting with his BOSS regarding serious allegations and for reasons directed by Wade he refused. As a fan you can play endless games of "what if" all you want, but that is what it all boils down to. He was called to a meeting and refused to attend. That alone is sufficient for suspension. If the meeting was to blow up purple and gold balloons to drop from the ceiling and he refused the result should be the same.

Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:04 pm to
Gray Tiger

My OP was clear. And nothing you have said changes that. I don’t think we handled this in a reasonable way.

I also don’t believe that you have to suspend just because he doesn’t show up for the meeting. And of wades attorneys are out of town they should be given time to come in.

Reasonableness is what we should be trying to accomplish with the expectations of a good outcome . Not a show of force .

This idea that a coach says I can’t meet and you suspend him. Cmon. Do you really think that has not happened before.


This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:09 pm
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