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re: 9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:18 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:18 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Is a Big 12 title "sacred" as well?
Of course, and OSU has one.
Unfortunately for them, most folks believe a couple teams in the SEC are better than the B12 champ, which I agree with.
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Why do you think Bama was the right pick?
They were obviously the best team not named LSU. Period.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:20 am
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
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Not only do you keep getting facts wrong, you make my argument for me. You're right, we should be the champion of last year. We were more accomplished than every team last year.
Haha well go ahead and keep believing that we are Natl Champs. Im not going to try and change how disillusioned you are. Sure, we are the Natl Champs from last year. Keep telling yourself that and itll all be ok. And what facts have I been getting wrong?
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:19 am to Tiger Voodoo
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just don't see how anyone can argue that the regular season and conference championships should be kept sacred, which I agree with, and yet be in favor of a playoff or selection committee, which you appear to be in favor of.
Because there are 120 teams in Division 1 and only 12 games to sort them. Win your conference, then we'll talk. Despite what people say, we really don't know who are the strongest conference champions, we have an educated guess.
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There will be a non-conference winner in the playoff every single year I'd bet, while the BCS only had a non-conference winner in the championship game 3 times in 14 years.
Which is why I oppose wild cards. But the only way we could get a playoff was conceding the non-conference champs entry. Your objection is not to playoffs, but to non-conference champs getting in the title game. It is the BCS which opened the door, and once this door is open, it can never be shut. No sport has added wild cards and then gotten rid of them (though the MLB did dilute them).
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hat's why I think that the original BCS poll, designed to weigh a team's regular season without bias, was a good system.
It was nothing but bias. It was the polls. It was not an objective formula, it was the illusion of math to give cover to selecting the top teams in the polls, and people were fooled by the mathematical sleight of hand.
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Now, the committee will focus on traditional powerhouses and RATINGS.
Why do you say this? We can see how committees behave and they don't do this. They look at teams anonymously and without regard to ratings, as they will get ratings whoever they put in. I find this as inventing an objection, based on a misreading of other sports.
Of course expansion is inevitable. We have wild cards, and wild cards are the work of the devil, favoring the mediocre. The BCS introduced wild cards by not calling them wild cards, and now we are tuck with them. Playoffs will expand. And they will use wild cards to do it.
Conference champions are the only bulwark. Breached, by the BCS. We're conditioned to expect non-conference champs in the title game, so the battle is already lost.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:20 am to Brettesaurus Rex
The BCS format and the new so called playoff Sucks! The National Champion should come from Conference Champions that feed into a Playoff. To give teams a 2nd chance after they have not won their conference is wrong and ridiculous. But we know why we have the system we have, it's all about television money and unfortunately this gives us the mess we have.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:22 am to motorbreath
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The truth is these teams were about as evenly matched as they come and who knows who would win a tie-breaking 3rd game.
This is correct.
For those would point out that we lost 0-21, I would then ask how could we have ever have beaten Bama earlier (at their place)?
And how many games need to be played before it's settled who's the best? Any modicum of common sense will tell you it can't be an even number of games.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:23 am to Thunder Tiger
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The BCS was originally created to attempt to match the two best teams.
The BCS was designed to match #1 and #2, and they are not necessarily the two "best" teams. That's a common misconception.
This is what I've been trying to post over and over.
The BCS was DESIGNED to ensure that bowl tie ins would not prevent a true national champion from being decided on the field.
LSU and Bama had already played on the field to decide who the best in the SEC was.
The Big 12 deserved a shot to see their champ play the SEC Champ for the trophy.
The Big 12, and any real fan of college football was robbed of that matchup.
It is no wonder the rematch was the lowest rated BCSCG in history.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:24 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The Big 12 deserved a shot to see their champ play the SEC Champ for the trophy.
Merely opinion, the system isn't written in stone to be that way.
Many people obviously feel Bama was a better team than OSU, and I agree with them.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:26 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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TLDR version: does it feel as ridiculous now as it did then that we were forced to play Bama a 2nd time after beating them at home?
The perspective of time makes it all the clearer that LSU was completely jobbed.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:26 am to Brettesaurus Rex
The BCS format and the new so called playoff Sucks! The National Champion should come from Conference Champions that feed into a Playoff. To give teams a 2nd chance after they have not won their conference is wrong and ridiculous. But we know why we have the system we have, it's all about television money and unfortunately this gives us the mess we have.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:30 am to Baloo
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Baloo
I actually think we're kind of on the same page.
I agree that conference champs and the regular season are what define college football.
I just don't get your distrust of the original intent of the BCS. It wasn't just the polls. That was the whole point. It weighed SOS, MOV, quality wins, and removed the influence of WHEN a team lost.
It's why the AP pulled out when it didn't suit them in 03, because it WASN'T following the polls, and then began a decade long push to devalue the system and water down the formula to make it more about the polls, which resulted in last year's BCS sham.
Overall, I think we agree on almost everything but that.
As for the selection committee, just call it a hunch. Bottom line is we've never seen anything like this. A committee picking a FINAL FOUR. I think teams like ND, Bama, USC, UT, and hell even LSU will get the nod over a team that may be more deserving that doesn't add to the draw of the playoff. I mean, you distrust polls bc of bias, why do you think a committee will somehow be less so?
If the NCAA BBall committee picked the final four every year, do you honestly not think there would be more controversy over the selection process?
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:32 am to Funky Tide 8
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Get over it already, guy. If you want to bitch about something then bitch about all of the teams that were in front us that lost in the weeks following Nov 5th. If you think that a team that lost to Iowa f'n State should have played for the NC, then i dont know what to tell ya.
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Funky, I never thought I would agree with a Bama fan, but I do. LSU had the toughest schedule in nation and played like the number 1 team all year. There is no doubt in my mind that Bama, at that time, was the next best team. It was settled in New Orleans and it is time to move on and get ready for Miami!!
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Get over it already, guy. If you want to bitch about something then bitch about all of the teams that were in front us that lost in the weeks following Nov 5th. If you think that a team that lost to Iowa f'n State should have played for the NC, then i dont know what to tell ya.
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Funky, I never thought I would agree with a Bama fan, but I do. LSU had the toughest schedule in nation and played like the number 1 team all year. There is no doubt in my mind that Bama, at that time, was the next best team. It was settled in New Orleans and it is time to move on and get ready for Miami!!
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:36 am to Devious
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It's over. Let it go.
Let go on of the greatest years in LSU's history just like that. On top of losing to those assholes in bama land. GTFO
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:43 am to NorthLaTigerFan
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It was settled in New Orleans and it is time to move on and get ready for Miami!!
You can start a thread about that, but this one's about "9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?"
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:47 am to AlwysATgr
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.how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?"
It comes off as sour grapes. It is time to move on. LSU played the best team out there and lost and there is a lot of folks who don't think the selection was "ridiculous.".
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:48 am to AlwysATgr
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Let go on of the greatest years in LSU's history just like that. On top of losing to those assholes in bama land. GTFO
Let the Championship go, We are not talking about the season dumbass, the BCSNC thats what we are talking about. We played one of the worst games in LSU history, yes let it go. Again try to understand that no one is talking about the season we are just talking about the BCSNC
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:54 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I actually think we're kind of on the same page.
I agree that conference champs and the regular season are what define college football.
I just don't get your distrust of the original intent of the BCS. It wasn't just the polls. That was the whole point. It weighed SOS, MOV, quality wins, and removed the influence of WHEN a team lost.
I think we are, too. I just think that they kept weakening every part of the formula except the polls, showing their true intent. They can say whatever they want, actions speak louder. The BCS is designed to give legitimacy to the coaches' poll. It's a crock.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Merely opinion, the system isn't written in stone to be that way.
Many people obviously feel Bama was a better team than OSU, and I agree with them.
I agree with them too, but that misses the point.
(everyone read what follows slowly and carefully)
The intent of the season and final game should be for one team to demonstrate its superiority to the exclusion of the most other teams.
In '11, we demonstrated our superiority over the Pac-10 (Oregon), the Big East (WVU), and the SEC (SEC Champs). What remained was the Big-10, Big-12, independents, and smaller conferences. Obvioulsy, there will be an element of subjectivity since it is not logistically possible to play a round-robin format. So for last season, of those that remained, pick one.
By (limited) analogy in the NFL, it may well be that most believe the two best teams in the NFL come from the same conference but even if so they don't re-match in the Super Bowl. Why, because one conference champion needs to demonstrate it's superiority over the other conference champion.
The SECCG has been played since '92. There are no disputed champions. It is always won on the field.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:57 am to Tyger1919
Dear God....
Alabama missed more FGs in their regular season loss than LSU attempted. They played LSU to a dead tie, which is being generous considering they outgained LSU and moved the ball better against LSU than the other way around. Bama shot themselves in the foot in November. Missed FGs, RB passes that get intercepted on the 1 yard line, letting a Brad Wing punt go over their heads for 75 yards....
They were CLEARLY the best team in the nation when the season ended. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa fricking State.
Accept the fact that LSU was VERY fortunate to come away from the game in November with a W....and Saban made the proper adjustments in January and kicked yalls asses.
Even mentioning Oklahoma State in hte same sentence as the 2011 Alabama team is absolutely laughable. LSU or Bama would have beat their arse right off the field. How many times have we seen that before? OU in 2003. Ohio State in 2006. OU in 2008. Texas in 2009. Oregon in 2010....
Defense wins championships....not gimmick bullshite passing attacks like OKState had last year.
Alabama missed more FGs in their regular season loss than LSU attempted. They played LSU to a dead tie, which is being generous considering they outgained LSU and moved the ball better against LSU than the other way around. Bama shot themselves in the foot in November. Missed FGs, RB passes that get intercepted on the 1 yard line, letting a Brad Wing punt go over their heads for 75 yards....
They were CLEARLY the best team in the nation when the season ended. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa fricking State.
Accept the fact that LSU was VERY fortunate to come away from the game in November with a W....and Saban made the proper adjustments in January and kicked yalls asses.
Even mentioning Oklahoma State in hte same sentence as the 2011 Alabama team is absolutely laughable. LSU or Bama would have beat their arse right off the field. How many times have we seen that before? OU in 2003. Ohio State in 2006. OU in 2008. Texas in 2009. Oregon in 2010....
Defense wins championships....not gimmick bullshite passing attacks like OKState had last year.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:02 pm to obsessedgator
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They were CLEARLY the best team in the nation when the season ended. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa fricking State.
Yep and the system worked, unfortunately some people just can't let it go.
You would have thought before the NCG that many LSU fans had already conceded a loss from the whining going on.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:08 pm to obsessedgator
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They played LSU to a dead tie, which is being generous considering they outgained LSU and moved the ball better against LSU than the other way around. Bama shot themselves in the foot in November. Missed FGs, RB passes that get intercepted on the 1 yard line, letting a Brad Wing punt go over their heads for 75 yards....
I think we had a decided advantage in yds rushing (usually a good correlation to wins; do we get credit for that?). One of their FG's was blocked (do we get credit for that?). The others weren't chip shots (do we get credit for stopping them away from the goal line?). Why were their RBs passing? Does Reid get any credit for his great play? Does Wing get credit for his monster punt?
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Accept the fact that LSU was VERY fortunate to come away from the game in November with a W
Agreed we were fortunate. But it was at BDS; do we get credit for beating Bama on their turf?
ANd how fortunate was Bama for ever getting a re-match? And if they were so much better than us how did they ever lose to begin with?
And consider OT; they go three and out and lose yds. And we romp!
Please see my post above about what the intent of the season should be.
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