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re: 3rd Down Confusion Aside, how bad was the 2nd down call?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:39 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:39 pm to LSU Fan 90812
It's second down and the clock isn't running and you have 32 seconds left.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:41 pm to LSU Fan 90812
This isn't related to the 2nd or 3rd down calls, but after Lee throws the first down ball through the goal posts, he turned to the coaches and yelled something in their direction. In my opinion, he was upset with the play that was called (not surprising), just curious about who he was yelling at and what he said. Any ideas?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:41 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Wouldn't it behoove you to give the ball to Stephen Ridley on a play like that, instead of giving the ball to Jefferson who has not shown the propensity for making the right reads?
Would it have been better to give the ball to Ridley?
No doubt.
But it would have way better still to have a 3rd down play ready to execute: no huddle, no subs.
Because it makes absolutely no fricking sense at all to run the ball on 2nd & Goal with no timeouts unless your next play is ready to go via the no huddle... preferably a quick pass that gives the QB the option to throw it away to stop the clock if he doesn't think he can safely complete the pass or doesn't want to take a sack.
But did that happen? No. Because of coaches failed miserably to have a 3rd down call ready to go. They sent in a new QB on 2nd down but didn't give him 2 downs worth of plays to execute. In other words, they set him and the entire offense up for failure on 3rd down and bet the farm that they would score on 2nd down so that the entire country wouldn't find out how woefully unprepared they were for 3rd down.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:41 pm to Powerman
hey. no argument from me. But if you do, don't those following parameters apply?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:42 pm to skullhawk
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I think Miles wanted his pet to be the hero at the end of the game. The play call was horrible. It wasn't even an option. It was a QB run all the way.
Except Miles said it was Crowton who put JJ in.
And I didn't have a problem with JJ put in. It gave the D one more thing to worry about. With Lee in, the D did NOT have to consider the option or QB draw or anything related to the QB carrying the ball.
With JJ in, at least the D had to account for all possibilities. The chances of JJ passing in that case was better than Lee running. So it "should" have given the D more to worry about... in theory anyway.
So if that was actually the thought process... then I'm OK with it.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:42 pm to rcdodd
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This isn't related to the 2nd or 3rd down calls, but after Lee throws the first down ball through the goal posts, he turned to the coaches and yelled something in their direction. In my opinion, he was upset with the play that was called (not surprising), just curious about who he was yelling at and what he said. Any ideas?
He said "Hey coach, my arm is tired after a long drive. I'm used to only playing a few downs a game. Please send in JJ!"
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:44 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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how bad was the 2nd down call?
Meh, it was ok. It almost worked.
I actually don't have an overall problem with the sequence of plays. It was the staff execution of them.
1) Run formation, but actually a TE pass ... reasonable call. TE trips and was well covered anyway. JL throws it out of the back of the endzone. Clock stops.
2) Run with JJ with Ridley lead blocking. It almost worked. I wouldn't call that an obvious play. An obvious run probably, but so what?
3) IF THE PERSONNEL WERE ALREADY HEADED TO THE FIELD AND JJ KNEW WHAT THE PLAY WAS, a pass play is a good call. It would've eaten some time, but would've either been a TD or the clock would've stopped. I would've rather JL been brought back with a personnel switch, BUT he did have 2 very ugly endzone passes - one that needed RS to save and the other an INT. Still, I go with JL.
4) THEN, you run Ridley on 4th down with 10-ish seconds left.
If you don't get a TD from that sequence, you just tip your hat to the Vols.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:45 pm to TriumphTiger
My problem with it was this:
They sent JJ into the game with only 1 play and no "if you don't score" instructions.
He clearly didn't get any additional instructions.
Epic Fail in my book.
They sent JJ into the game with only 1 play and no "if you don't score" instructions.
He clearly didn't get any additional instructions.
Epic Fail in my book.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:47 pm to wheelz007
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They sent JJ into the game with only 1 play and no "if you don't score" instructions.
He clearly didn't get any additional instructions.
Epic Fail in my book.
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I was just saying that the play calling was reasonable.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:47 pm to rcdodd
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In my opinion, he was upset with the play that was called (not surprising), just curious about who he was yelling at and what he said. Any ideas?
"Get your head out of your arse on the sidelines and give me the next play!! I don't have all freaking day, you know"
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:48 pm to mamoutiga
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IT WAS AWEFUL!!!! who in the stadium didn't know what was coming when Jefferson came back in? Has this staff EVER shown the ability to be creative enough to send out a decoy??? NO!
Except for the first play from the line of scrimmage. Do you watch the games? You should start, they are fun.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:51 pm to Geaux Tahel
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And I didn't have a problem with JJ put in. It gave the D one more thing to worry about. With Lee in, the D did NOT have to consider the option or QB draw or anything related to the QB carrying the ball.
Funny how every week teams in the NFL manage to score touchdowns without the threat of a running QB.
If anything based on the coaches behavior earlier, they knew it was going to be a run because they were yanking Jefferson in obvious passing situations.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:51 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I don't think it was that bad ASSUMING you have a plan of any sort.
Considering no plan existed after the second down sneak it was a huge mistake.
If you are going to show your cards why not just run Ridley up the middle on second, third, and fourth downs. Better chance than JJ.
Considering no plan existed after the second down sneak it was a huge mistake.
If you are going to show your cards why not just run Ridley up the middle on second, third, and fourth downs. Better chance than JJ.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:52 pm to Powerman
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It's second down and the clock isn't running and you have 32 seconds left.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
I disagree. IF you've practiced it, that's plenty of time to run the ball and clock it OR even immediately run a pass play. The clusterf^%& was the substitution .... even more specifically the time it took. They actually even had time to substitute IF they were ready AND JJ knew the next play.
Not knowing the next play... oh, the panic JJ must've felt. Can you imagine being in that situation without the next play? The stadium completely freaked out as the clock was running down and you're in the student section side too.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:53 pm to Powerman
quote:disagree...running on 2nd down is acceptable if you plan to throw on third down into the endzone if you don't score on 2nd down...they were on the two yard line...running is perfectly acceptable...
It's second down and the clock isn't running and you have 32 seconds left.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:55 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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If you are going to show your cards why not just run Ridley up the middle on second, third, and fourth downs. Better chance than JJ.
We definitely didn't have time for 3 running plays once we got to 2nd down. We could've run 2 though. The second would've been make it or break it.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:55 pm to LSU Fan 90812
i didnt read this thread, so maybe its been said.. but the very worst thing that could have happened to this offense was JJ breaking that long run for a TD.. that was the option play that we all want to go away.. thats what he came in to run.. everybody knew it.. and just like it does 9 times out of 10, it didnt get shite.. but now, since JJ got by one guy on a terrible attempt at a tackle, we will have to suffer that play as long as GC is here..
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:55 pm to TriumphTiger
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I disagree. IF you've practiced it, that's plenty of time to run the ball and clock it OR even immediately run a pass play. The clusterf^%& was the substitution .... even more specifically the time it took. They actually even had time to substitute IF they were ready AND JJ knew the next play.
Not knowing the next play... oh, the panic JJ must've felt. Can you imagine being in that situation without the next play? The stadium completely freaked out as the clock was running down and you're in the student section side too.
DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
Our coaches set JJ and the entire offense up to fail by not having a quick pass play ready to run on 3rd & Goal. Instead, the coaches bet the farm that JJ would score on 2nd & Goal and that the nation wouldn't find out just how unprepared the coaches were for 3rd & Goal.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:57 pm to Powerman
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Funny how every week teams in the NFL manage to score touchdowns without the threat of a running QB.
Funny, I thought we were talking about LSU, not every week in the NFL. And you know what. There are lots of times NFL teams have a problem punching it in. Any, we aren't every NFL team. We are LSU, with an O-Line that is far from dominant (unless you call holding and false starts dominating), 2 QBs that combined would make a "decent" QB, WR's that couldn't catch their own dick if it was taped to their leg.
We need every possible advantage imaginable. And if that means putting a QB in that provides more things a D has to worry about, then I'm all for it.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:58 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I would have faked a jet reverse to Shepard and run right up the middle.
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