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re: 2nd Greatest LSU Football Player Ever
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:07 pm to AngryBeavers
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:07 pm to AngryBeavers
The game has changed a lot in the years since Cannon's era, and the players have become more athletic. It's just the dynamic ability that Cannon possessed, and the plays that he made, I really believe he would have been an amazing player in this day and age as well. Look at Jacob Hester, he was kind of the modern day Billy Cannon for LSU, and he was a great player. Now take 1958 Billy Cannon and put him in Hester's spot, you know he would have still run over and around people.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:09 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Look at Jacob Hester, he was kind of the modern day Billy Cannon for LSU
Jesus Christ
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:10 pm to lsupride87
Billy Cannon: 6'1" 210 LBS 10.60 100M dash in 1955
Adrian Peterson: 6'1" 217 lbs 10.33 100m dash
Looks like the honky could compete today
Adrian Peterson: 6'1" 217 lbs 10.33 100m dash
Looks like the honky could compete today
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:10 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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The game has changed a lot in the years since Cannon's era, and the players have become more athletic. It's just the dynamic ability that Cannon possessed, and the plays that he made, I really believe he would have been an amazing player in this day and age as well. Look at Jacob Hester, he was kind of the modern day Billy Cannon for LSU, and he was a great player. Now take 1958 Billy Cannon and put him in Hester's spot, you know he would have still run over and around people.
Cannon would be a beast today. His size, speed, and versatility transfers, he was a one of a kind thoroughbred.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:11 pm to lsupride87
You are completely missing the point. So you are saying Miguel may be the greates ever, which I agree. But in you opinion, if you take Cabrera, and dont change a single thing about him, and put him in the 50's, he isnt the greatest ever anymore. That makes ZERO sense. He is the same exact player
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:11 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I'm not saying Cannon is garbage just that he did not face competition like Faulk did.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:11 pm to lsu2006
lsu2006, not saying Hester was at Cannon's level, I'm talking about that he was a white running back who made a lot of plays the same way Cannon did. Other than Hester, when was the last time LSU had a white running back? Not trying to play the race card at all, just saying.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:11 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Casanova
Yes, you are.
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Not trying to play the race card at all, just saying.
Yes, you are.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:12 pm to AngryBeavers
Respond to my above post about Cabrera. Not angry, just I think it gets the point I am making towards you
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:13 pm to lsupride87
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Kevin Faulk > Billy Cannon
I Love Kevin Faulk and he's definitely in the discussion but I've heard from some solid Football minds that Cannon was an amazing athlete. I'm talking world class material. The Ole Miss return is what he's known for and that highlight says a lot but the dude played defense as well and was in on the game saving tackle in that game. Ole Miss drove the field and I think went for it on 4th at the goal line.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:13 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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lsu2006, not saying Hester was at Cannon's level, I'm talking about that he was a white running back who made a lot of plays the same way Cannon did. Other than Hester, when was the last time LSU had a white running back? Not trying to play the race card at all, just saying.
So you're just going to completely ignore things like size and skill sets and point out their skin color as a point of comparison?
Cannon was fast as shite and, in all likelihood, much stronger than Hester.
Hester was white and played RB for LSU. That is where the comparison to Cannon begins and ends.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:13 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:I agree. But that doesnt mean he was better. Just means he faced tougher competition. Hell, if I faced tougher competition then Billy am I better?
I'm not saying Cannon is garbage just that he did not face competition like Faulk did.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:14 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Jacob Hester,
love the kid, but he's not even in the same league as Cannon
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:14 pm to ell_13
Patrick Peterson.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
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So if Joe Montana and Peyton played back then, they aren't the best ever? Same skills and talents, but you are automatically saying no. You cant make blanket assumptions
I get what you are saying and getting at when you bring this up... but I dont think thats really an accurate statement. The game has changed and evolved A LOT over the years, and that causes players and skills to evolve.
And not just on offense, but everywhere. Back in the 50s and 60s, there werent any great cover DBs or pass rushers like there are today. And there werent any great WRs like Randy Moss, Megatron, etc or burners like DJax. Hell, teams wouldnt pass the ball that much like they do today and only a handful of teams would have a completion % over 50%.
It was a completely different game back then to now and I dont think its fair to say "if Manning went back, would he not be great?" We dont know that because it was a different game and if he was playing in those days, he wouldnt have the same skills he has now a days.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:16 pm to lsupride87
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You are completely missing the point. So you are saying Miguel may be the greates ever, which I agree. But in you opinion, if you take Cabrera, and dont change a single thing about him, and put him in the 50's, he isnt the greatest ever anymore. That makes ZERO sense. He is the same exact player
Sorry did not see this. I'm not mad either I really do enjoy these kind of debates.
It sounds like we are in agreement as far as players having the same skill set regardless of what era you drop them into.
My opinion is that Miguel Cabrera for example would be more dominate than Ted Williams back when Williams played. I do not believe Ted Williams would be able to have the same success against today's pitching.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:18 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Mathieu
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:19 pm to lsu2006
Okay, I think you may have misunderstood my point, and I think I didn't clarify it, so it's on me for the misunderstanding. As I stated in my first post on this thread, I believe Billy Cannon is the greatest Tiger football player ever, without a doubt. Jacob Hester was a key player for LSU in their 2007 championship season, but you're absolutely right, Cannon was a blazer while Hester was a between-the-tackles bruiser. In my mind, when I say he's sort of the modern day equivalent to Billy Cannon, of course their skin color is the first comparison, but also that Hester made dramatic, game-saving plays and rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2007,this being an age of almost exclusively black running backs, and he did this in the SEC.
So yes, similar skin color and propensity for big plays, but different skill sets and size, of course man, I never meant to say they were one and the same player.
So yes, similar skin color and propensity for big plays, but different skill sets and size, of course man, I never meant to say they were one and the same player.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:19 pm to AngryBeavers
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I do not believe Ted Williams would be able to have the same success against today's pitching.
of course this is all bar room, man cave talk, but I believe they could pull Ted Williams out of that cryo vat, thaw him, out and he'd hit about .360, greatest pure hitter ever, IMO
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:21 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:I disagree but this I understand. The overall player is definitely better today. No question. But the outliers from the past like Cannon are different. Once again:
Sorry did not see this. I'm not mad either I really do enjoy these kind of debates. It sounds like we are in agreement as far as players having the same skill set regardless of what era you drop them into. My opinion is that Miguel Cabrera for example would be more dominate than Ted Williams back when Williams played. I do not believe Ted Williams would be able to have the same success against today's pitching.
Billy: 6'1" 210 lbs and a 10.60 100m in 1955
Adrian peterson: 6'1" 217 lbs and a 10.33 100m
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