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re: 2nd Greatest LSU Football Player Ever
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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Tm7 is the only other person to get to the heisman finals. So imo he is # 2 by that fact alone
The televised Heisman final is a fairly new creation. Jerry Stovall was barely edged out for an Heisman but their was no ESPN to pump the hype back then.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:52 pm
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:52 pm to lsu2006
quote:This is my point. But there was black players. Do yall not realize Cannon is the same exact age as Jim Brown?
It's important to point out, though, that NO ONE in that day played against black players. All you can do is stack Cannon up against players he DID play against. And he was a goddamn animal. It's not his fault segregation was the status quo.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
quote:When Billy Cannon was a freshamn in High School, EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL HAD A BLACK PLAYER.
AngryBeavers
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
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This is my point. But there was black players. Do yall not realize Cannon is the same exact age as Jim Brown?
Right, but how many black players were in the SEC? Based on our schedules from 1958 and 1959, Cannon played against a grand total of 0 black people in his time at LSU.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:55 pm to lsu2006
I get into this argument with baseball old timers like my dad that want to call Ted Williams the greatest hitter etc. It doesn't mean guys weren't good but when an entire group was excluded based on the color of their skin it clouds the era. Kevin Faulk played against the best players regardless of race and was a beast that is why he is the best LSU player IMO.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
Billy Cannon 1
Jerry Stovall 2
/end thread
Jerry Stovall 2
/end thread
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:56 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Harvey Williams
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:56 pm to AngryBeavers
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I get into this argument with baseball old timers like my dad that want to call Ted Williams the greatest hitter etc.
Uh... He kinda was the greatest hitter. And over half of his career was post-Jackie Robinson. Horrible example.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:57 pm to lsu2006
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Right, but how many black players were in the SEC? Based on our schedules from 1958 and 1959, Cannon played against a grand total of 0 black people in his time at LSU.
This^
The SEC wasn't fully integrated until the late 60's or something ridiculous.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:57 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:So if Joe Montana and Peyton played back then, they aren't the best ever? Same skills and talents, but you are automatically saying no. You cant make blanket assumptions
I get into this argument with baseball old timers like my dad that want to call Ted Williams the greatest hitter etc. It doesn't mean guys weren't good but when an entire group was excluded based on the color of their skin it clouds the era. Kevin Faulk played against the best players regardless of race and was a beast that is why he is the best LSU player IMO.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:59 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:Cannon was still a freak in the integrated NFL, where an injury made him move from RB to TE, where he was STILL ALL PRO
This^
The SEC wasn't fully integrated until the late 60's or something ridiculous
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:59 pm to lsu2006
quote:
Uh... He kinda was the greatest hitter. And over half of his career was post-Jackie Robinson. Horrible example.
Don't want to derail this thread but he didn't face near the caliber of pitching that came as early as 5 years after he retired.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:00 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:The greatest ever is the greatest ever. Your competition does not change the type of player you actually are
Don't want to derail this thread but he didn't face near the caliber of pitching that came as early as 5 years after he retired.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:01 pm to lsupride87
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So if Joe Montana and Peyton played back then, they aren't the best ever? Same skills and talents, but you are automatically saying no. You cant make blanket assumptions
If you are excluding talent based on something arbitrary like race then yes it waters down the era they played in. The modern athlete in general is better than guys from Cannon's era.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:02 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:Cannon could eat pieces of shite like Montana and Peyton for breakfast
If you are excluding talent based on something arbitrary like race then yes it waters down the era they played in. The modern athlete in general is better than guys from Cannon's era.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:04 pm to lsupride87
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The greatest ever is the greatest ever. Your competition does not change the type of player you actually are
It absolutely does. Send a guy like Miguel Cabrera back to Ted Williams day and watch him dominate those pitchers.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:04 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Kevin Faulk was drafted in the 2nd round.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:06 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:
Sorry bro you can't call Cannon the GOAT when he played during segregation. The best players from his era weren't allowed on the field.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:06 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:You are completely missing the point. So you are saying Miguel may be the greates ever, which I agree. But in you opinion, if you take Cabrera, and dont change a single thing about him, and put him in the 50's, he isnt the greatest ever anymore. That makes ZERO sense. He is the same exact player
It absolutely does. Send a guy like Miguel Cabrera back to Ted Williams day and watch him dominate those pitchers.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 4:07 pm to AngryBeavers
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How many black guys did Billy Cannon play against?
When Cannon went to the pros (Houston Oilers), and I lived in Mobile, the Oilers would occasionally play on TV. In one of the games, there was a play where he blocked Ernie Ladd and completely laid him out. Ladd graduated from Grambling, was 6'9" tall and weighed 315 lbs (and later became a pro wrestler). I think he was playing for San Diego at the time, but the details of that fact are sketchy, so it could have been KC.
On a note related to the context--the Van Buren boys were mighty good football players. Ebert played both sides of the ball and Steve played HB. My Dad (who graduated from LSU in 1950) said Steve was "a beast," but I have heard Ebert was pretty tough as well.
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