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re: 15 days until start of LSU basketball 6 cupcakes to start the season

Posted on 10/22/25 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 2:20 pm to
Poor guy can’t even schedule well
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 2:25 pm to
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Can’t wait to build up unrealistic expectations to start the season again
What are realistic expectations this season?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:08 pm to
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That literally does nothing to help you improve as a team starting the season with those 6 teams.


This year wouldn't be the year to do it for a coach trying to hold on to his job, but I would love to see LSU get to the point where they schedule like Alabama. I don't like Oats or Alabama, but give credit where credit is due. Oats has never been afraid to play a brutal schedule.

In 2024 Alabama played Indiana St (top 30 team that year, Ohio St., Oregon, Clemson, Purdue, Crieghton, Arizona.

Last year Alabama played McNeese, Purdue, Illinois, Houston, Rutgers, Oregon, North Carolina

This season they will play Saint John's, Purdue, Illinois, Gonzaga, UNLV, Clemson, Arizona, Yale.

Dale Brown use to play some crazy schedules. In 89-90 LSU played Notre Dame in the Superdome on a Saturday and Alabama on the road the very next day! The a few weeks later LSU played Florida and UNLV back-to-back on a Saturday and Sunday...right in the middle of SEC play, before a week later bringing in Loyola-Marymount, which was one of the most unbelievable games in the history of the PMAC.

That's why I always bristle at the fans who say "LSU has never been a basketball school". There was a time that gym across the street from Tiger Stadium was a madhouse
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:18 pm to
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Dale Brown use to play some crazy schedules. In 89-90 LSU played Notre Dame in the Superdome on a Saturday and Alabama on the road the very next day! The a few weeks later LSU played Florida and UNLV back-to-back on a Saturday and Sunday..


Yeah, Dale did some crazy stuff, but his team was battle tested if nothing else and it served him well he made the tourney as a bubble team a couple of times and it absolutely helped that he played a tough schedule....even then.

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That's why I always bristle at the fans who say "LSU has never been a basketball school". There was a time that gym across the street from Tiger Stadium was a madhouse


It was - I mean - I was there, but I also remember a big win over Bama on the road Shaq's 2nd or 3rd year and I could not wait to listen to the sports radio shows to listen to the next day because it was a win I was very excited about....but national signing day for football was also coming up - and this was when Curley was coach mind you....and that dominated the shows all day, scarcely a call about the hoops game....so there is context and nuance to the discussion.
Posted by Gus007
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:19 pm to
Like Wade, Dale always schedule some top teams like Georgetown, just to get attention to LSU Basketball. He was a promoter. Exactly what LSU needed at the time. Chris Jackson was always worth the price of admission.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:26 pm to
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Dale Brown use to play some crazy schedules. In 89-90 LSU played Notre Dame in the Superdome on a Saturday and Alabama on the road the very next day! The a few weeks later LSU played Florida and UNLV back-to-back on a Saturday and Sunday...right in the middle of SEC play, before a week later bringing in Loyola-Marymount, which was one of the most unbelievable games in the history of the PMAC.
Fall of 89 was my first semester at LSU. Getting tickets to the PMAC was a priority, meanwhile TS was half empty for SEC games - and that was prior to expansion.
Posted by BowDownToLSU
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:35 pm to
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Poor guy can’t even schedule well
i would say he scheduled well. He’s trying to schedule “ easy wins” to get his record up He’s 14-40 in SEC play and the sports media just picked us to place 15th so its going to get ugly on the back end of this schedule. Woodward has really shite the bed here recently except for Kim and Jay
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:39 pm to
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would say he scheduled well. He’s trying to schedule “ easy wins” to get his record up He’s 14-40 in SEC play and the sports media just picked us to place 15th so its going to get ugly on the back end of this schedule.
Sweet, we’ll have all the Quad 4 wins and a NET of 180 to start SEC play.
Posted by SaintLSU
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:42 pm to
What’s wrong with a cupcake playing 6 cupcakes to start the season
Posted by Honkus
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:52 pm to


Ain't no cupcake, pal
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:52 pm to
Those wins are meaningless. You’d be better off losing to good teams and the competition would better prepare you for the SEC slate. Inflated, meaningless wins only serves the purpose of duping ignorant fans into thinking your pre conf record matters beating HS level teams. They serve zero purpose in attempting to make the post season. To get out of this hole the best thing you can do is travel a lot to mid tier P5 opponents. You’re not going to get big teams to play you even at home now because you’re worthless to them but you could gain credit if you can get some road wins vs decent teams. What he’s done doesn’t amount to anything, there’s no upside to this schedule.
Posted by SaintLSU
Gretna
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:03 pm to
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Ain't no cupcake, pal


Here’s to hoping your right
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:05 pm to
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Like Wade, Dale always schedule some top teams like Georgetown, just to get attention to LSU Basketball


To be fair, Wade didn't really schedule a lot of "top teams". The genius of his scheduling was scheduling games against solid mid-major opponents who he projected to have good (then) RPI ratings. Teams like Liberty, Belmont, East Tenn. ST., Utah St, Furman, Ohio, Stephen F. Austin, UNC Wilmington didn't really generate a ton of excitement (unlike Dale's games against Duke, Kansas, UNLV, Georgetown, etc). But they were all very quality mid-major who, when combined with the SEC schedule, helped produce a good overall SOS number...often in the top 20-30 nationally.

Every school is going to play multiple mid-majors. It's just that McMahon has had a desire to play many of the really, really bad ones.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:08 pm to
He has to beat Texas Tech and has to hope Drake has some residual competitiveness from the coach who just left and has to beat them as well. If he enters conference with zero quality wins, even if we’re comparable to the other SEC bubble teams in record we’ll be left out because of the weak non conf. This is best case scenario btw. For a guy supposedly coaching for his job he sure doesn’t act like it. Maybe he knows he’s safe which is unbelievable but after what we’ve seen from this admin keeping him wouldn’t surprise me.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:14 pm to
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because you’re worthless to them


I would argue to the contrary.

If the general consensus is that LSU is not a good team, then you are giving such opponents a reasonable opportunity to get a ROAD win against a power conf. opponent (albeit maybe a weak one). For as doo-doo as LSU was last season, they still were ranked 88 in the NET. That's a Q2 road win for the opponent. If this year LSU is a little bit better than that, but still not good, you're offering your opponent an better than 50% opportunity for a Q1 win...at worst, Q2, by scheduling a game vs. LSU in BR.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:20 pm to
Well that’s kind of the point, even though we’re a P5 school we don’t count as a quality opponent even on the road. It isn’t worth a Kansas or the like to come down here and drumb us. Thats how far we’ve fallen.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:22 pm to
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He has to beat Texas Tech and has to hope Drake has some residual competitiveness from the coach who just left and has to beat them as well.


I think that of the 5 game stretch vs. Drake, GT/Depaul, BC, Texas Tech, SMU, he has to win at least 3 of them, with one being over TTU or SMU to give LSU a reasonable margin for error in SEC play.

Usually, he's been pretty good in those first few games against major conf. opponents (even in close losses). It's when those opponents get more tape on LSU and adjust that the wheels have fallen off.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:27 pm to
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It isn’t worth a Kansas or the like to come down here and drumb us.


I guess the discussion is what's better for Kansas.

LOSE a neutral site game Mizzou, or
LOSE a road game at NC State, or
WIN a road game at LSU

IF, LSU were in the top 75, not an outrageously high bar for a major conf. team, then all three would be Q1 games. However, the risk of losing to Mizzou or NC State is much greater. So the game at LSU might give you the best change to get a Q1 WIN...which is more important than the SOS boost.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:27 pm to
Yea, we need to win those. Tech is probably wishing but that’s ok, if we’re any good we should be able to have a chance vs the other teams.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 4:31 pm to
We’re talking scheduling so there’s a bit of wiggle but it comes down to 4 things really. We finished last in our conf, made no post season, had a poor overall record and had essentially no quality wins. That’s why in scheduling we wouldn’t be of any value to a big team.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 4:32 pm
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