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Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:57 pm to
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noone is defending our offense
Rush is
read the thread
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1383 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:00 pm to
I can at least take solace that finally even the Miles supporters admit there are real problems on this team. I can remember all of the apologists earlier this year saying things like:

We are waiting to open up the offense
Don't want to tip our hand
Les will get it fixed
We'll be fine
We're 5 and 0
We only lost to the number 1 and number 2 teams in the country -- relax.

It was all bullshite then, and it is bullshite now.

Now, at least, the apologists are willing to admit we have real problems. What I find interesting is that so many people don't want to hold the HC accountable for the problems in his own program.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48784 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:02 pm to
They can't defend it. They will no doubt blame Jordan Jefferson. If you ask me its freaking amazing that he was able to have such good stats with the 112th ranked offense.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37001 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:04 pm to
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There are plenty of teams that succeed with QBs under 20.




Boise plays in the WAC. Find teams that did it in BCS conferences.


go one further and find one in the SEC.
Posted by Altair
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
78 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:10 pm to
Tim Tebow won the heisman as a sophomore. That's not really an excuse.

I think JJ is a good quarterback who needs to fix his glaring mistakes so he can become a great quarterback.

Anyway, while Les Miles is responsible for the atrocious offense this year, the problem would likely be gone if we fired Crowton. I think Les is a good coach and firing him would be a mistake because finding someone better would be difficult. He obviously knows what he is doing, but our offensive coordinator does not.

It's difficult to be optimistic for our offense next year since Crowton is staying, but if we do bad again next year offensively he will almost certainly be fired.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:10 pm to
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I gave Boise's soph QB as an example that young QB can succeed.


Define succeed. Because I have a hard time believing that Boise St. wouldn't have finished any better then 3rd in the SEC, something you agreed with. As far as compete goes, we competed in every game. Would they have a better offense than ours still? Yes.

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The point is a that soph QB....one that is the same age as JJ....just led the #1 ranked offense in the country.
To say that the reason LSU is 112th b/c of a soph QB is just fricking ridiculous.


La Tech under Crowton had a top 10 offense in Tim Rattay's SO year. Does that make Crowton great? Kellen Moore is also a year older than JJ and has an extra starting. To say we are ranked 112th just because of a young QB is ridiculous, but to suggest it isn't a big reason is also ridiculous.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:12 pm to
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What I find interesting is that so many people don't want to hold the HC accountable for the problems in his own program.


I'm sitting here in my double-wide in Choudrant, sipping on a Seagrams and Diet, threatening to beat my kid because his dog just shite in my house shoes...how do I hold the HC accountable??
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37001 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:13 pm to
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To say that the reason LSU is 112th b/c of a soph QB is just fricking ridiculous.


maybe every team should just start their 19 year old qb's.

sounds dumb right? to say that having a 19 year old qb had nothing to do with our poor offense is even more ridiculous.
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
Pensacola,FL
Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:16 pm to
History repeats itself. Looks like the DiNardo-Tepper scenario starting to unfold all over again: A stubborn head coach refusing to make the necessary changes to his staff which will result in said head coach going down with the ship. He pulled the plug on the Mallveto Monster, so why wont he do something about the Crowton Catastrophe? The only glimmer of hope may be Gonzales, but he wouldn't have even been hired if DJM hadn't been caught with his hand in the cookie jar..........
Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
Member since Nov 2008
3205 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:37 pm to
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WE HAD A 19 YEAR OLD STARTING QUARTERBACK

There are 10 others on the field at the same time. i wouldn't blame JJ alone. He had some rough spots, so did the WR, RB and OL.

Our OC needs to go. I am a Miles supporter but if he can't see that the OC needs to go then maybe he should go with him.
eta:

Bottom line our Off. had a total of 155 possesions this year. 8 INTs, 9 turn over on Downs and 63 punts.

That is about 52% of our possesions that netted 0 points.

We also kicked 20 FG add that in and we had about 65% of possesions w/o a TD

That % doesn't count the end of half possesions, it did in the 155 total
This post was edited on 1/6/10 at 6:40 pm
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4098 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 6:42 pm to
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Again, plenty of teams succeed with young QBs.


Those teams have a running game. LSU did not. It's embarassing watching other teams run on you while knowing you can't. Exactly when is the last time a predominant passing team has won a national championship? Florida was ranked #10 in rushing with 3105 yards and Alabama #12 in rushing with over 2800 yards. LSU finished 90th with 1596 yards. Can't win many in the SEC like that. Only South Carolina did worse with 20 fewer yards than us in the SEC and still we find a way to win 9 games. We need to kick start the running game in the offseason. It's very tough to win SEC championships without a running game especially with a young QB.

Sam Bradford had 2770 yards of help on the ground as a Soph. Boise State's QB had 2600 yards of help on the ground. With 1000 yards additional on the ground the LSU offensive ranking could have been around 60 - 61.

Hopefully, this spring everything will begin with fixing the running game.
Posted by HoumaTigerFan
Member since Jan 2008
5616 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 7:02 pm to
Florida is a perfect example of a team that underachived with a sopohomore QB in 2007. However, Tim Tebow was the Heisman winner that year.

Sorry...I couldn't resist.
Posted by pjcantrelle
Galliano, LA
Member since Jul 2008
355 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:16 pm to
Florida is a perfect example of a team that underachived with a sopohomore QB in 2007. However, Tim Tebow was the Heisman winner that year.

Wow, not winning big with a young QB.
Posted by TomEnMS
Bay St. Louis, MS
Member since Dec 2009
14 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:45 pm to
A lot of teams have 19 year old quarterbacks, its college. Not being ranked in the top 50 is pathetic. Most of the problem is play calling. We have more unused talent than most teams have talent (for sure if you go to the top 112!). We never adjust our game plan to what is happening. FIX THIS!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295342 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:49 pm to
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f you ask me its freaking amazing that he was able to have such good stats with the 112th ranked offense.


Stats are pretty meaningless at times. When it counts, you need the stats. Throwing 7 yard passes on curl patterns isn't moving the chains. LSU offense was good for one -two drives a game.

JJ didn't have the benefit of an incumbent to learn from when he got here, and its obvious he isn't getting much help from the staff in terms of development or playcalling. I don't see the problem being helped until some new and creative staff is brought in to help.
Posted by TomEnMS
Bay St. Louis, MS
Member since Dec 2009
14 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:56 pm to
Just how many offensive plays did we average a game? Where does that compare with the rest of the SEC teams? Some of you stat junkies should have these answers. I tend to drink too much before the game to remember all those details. I do remember the defense spent way too much time on the field.
Posted by hondapa26
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2005
3149 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:01 pm to
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WE HAD A 19 YEAR OLD STARTING QUARTERBACK


tell that to the 18 year old starter, Matt Barkley, who somehow led USC to be 55th in the nation in Offense.
Posted by hondapa26
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2005
3149 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:02 pm to
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I do remember the defense spent way too much time on the field.


this is bc when the passing game was working, Crowton would call some ingenious rushing plays
Posted by Saint Slidell
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2009
433 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:09 pm to
Not a huge supporter of Miles.....would rather have a coach that has a strong defensive or offensive mindset that they bring to the program.

Miles is just a CEO type of coach...not always a bad thing when you have great coordinators. Just ask Mack Brown.

With that said why he has not given Crowton his walking papers is beyond me. It may still happen who knows.
Posted by hogeb
Foster City, CA
Member since Jan 2006
370 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:21 pm to
I'm always dismayed that many people can't tell the difference between providing reasons with making excuses. There is no excuse for this year's offense, but if we are looking for an analysis of what went wrong so that, hopefully, we can address the issues, here are some reasons for our bad season:

Changed to a zone blocking scheme which never developed (running backs also failed to adjust to this new scheme leading to missed holes and cut-back lanes).

Stubborn coordinator and position coaches who were never on the same page.

Play calling that failed to adapt to the skills on the field (expecting to get better by improving at the new schemes rather than making adjustments).

Young QB and FB (no real FB emerged all season, and the FBs who did play had the same problems with the zone scheme that the RBs did).

TE used to block more than in the past to compensate for the struggling OL.

Now, all of this being said, we can improve if the new coordinators work together and the tecniques for the zone scheme are coached. Living in Houston, I've seen the time it takes for linemen to learn the zone scheme. Again, I'm not excusing the zone scheme. I don't like it, but it takes time to learn and I think we will be better next year on the OL simply by having more time to implement it.

This post was edited on 1/6/10 at 9:25 pm
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