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re: With Kelvin Joseph leaving, who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?

Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by SoloTiger
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:28 pm to
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Why does 247 mention JB six times and Tracy four times in an article about the 2018 recruiting class?



Because the article clearly states in addition to the recruiting class FINISHING at 23 (22), they went and added 3 transfers as well. But those do not count as part of the RECRUITING class, which again:
2018 Rankings, no transfers

Obviously doesn't include transfers.

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I saw them play football last year. They exist and signed with the 2018 class.



Outside of the recruiting class, no one is not recognizing them, they just aren't part of the recruiting class:
2018 rankings, no Burrow, Tracy, Alexander, Atkins, Ponamsky

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Sorry that you can't accept the concept that these players were as part of the class

2018 Rankings, Yep, still none of the guys you keep saying are part of the class are in fact in there

This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:30 pm to
He's literally the worst, cant ever accept when he's flat out wrong

I like how he doesnt even address my point if the class wasn't bad why does he keep including players in it that's clearly not counted as part of the recruiting class? He has no idea he's proving our point.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:36 pm to
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And the 2018 class, in its one year on campus, has provided a starting QB,




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three Olinemen who started, a starting FG kicker

2 JUCOs and a 1 year transfer

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Doesn't sound like a "mediocre-bad for modern LSU" class to me.

well you're deaf, apparently
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:37 pm to
I haven't been keeping up with this whole thread, but is he trying to argue that Terrence Alexander was a net positive on the program?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:37 pm to
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In the end, you know it's not a good class when he has to damage control with transfers.

i mean even if we count them, we're talking 2, 1-year guys and 3, 2-year guys. that ain't good
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:39 pm to
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i mean even if we count them, we're talking 2, 1-year guys and 3, 2-year guys. that ain't good


Especially when one of the one year guys was a liability on the field for both his play and his behavior. And then was such a liability off the field that we can't sign a grad transfer for 2 years because of him.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:39 pm to
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He's literally never said one negative thing about the program even if it's 100% true, it aint happening

naw he's shite talked Miles a bunch. he did in response to me in this thread
Posted by Tiger Ree
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:39 pm to
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You have to go all the way back to 2012 to see a class as poorly rated by 247 as 2018.


Well yeah, if you are only hung up on ratings when the dotted line was signed.

People are crying because five of the lowest rated recruits and two 4-stars from the 2018 class are leaving.


From LSU's 24/7 guy:
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Shea Dixon Retweeted Shea Dixon

In this story, numbers on each recruiting class. One that stings? The 2015 class, where 39% of the signees have already transferred or been dismissed.

From the 2014-2016 classes, only 32 signees (44%) remain on the team right now.


A long read on the state of the #LSU scholarship chart, including insight on moves Orgeron's had to make.





LSU's #2 class in 2014 lost:
5-star Clifton Garrett. Remember his all-star LSU career?
4-star Travonte Valentine
4-star Trey Quinn
4-star Deondre Clark
4-star Devin Voorhies
4-star Jevonte Domond
4-star Tony Upchurch
3-star Sione Teuhema
3-star Trey Lealaimatafao
3-star Brandon Bergeron

Seven five and four stars and ten players that never contributed.

LSU's #5 class in 2015 lost:
5-star Tyron Johnson.
4-star Chidi Okeke
4-star Xavier Lewis
3-star George Brown
3-star Bry'Keithon Mouton
3-star Hanner Shipley
3-star Justin McMillan
3-star Brandon Martin

Eight players that never contributed. 5-star Maea Teuhema who transferred to Southeastern La was in this class as was 4-star David Ducre who just never saw the field.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:40 pm to
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Well yeah, if you are only hung up on ratings when the dotted line was signed.

that's literally exactly what we're talking about

*ETA: of actual recruits, too. not graduate transfers
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:42 pm to
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LSU's #2 class in 2014 lost:


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4-star Devin Voorhies


He played 4 years at LSU and earned his degree from LSU. At what point did LSU lose him?
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:44 pm to
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I haven't been keeping up with this whole thread, but is he trying to argue that Terrence Alexander was a net positive on the program?



He's trying to argue the transfers, Burrow, Tracy, Alexander and a walk on kickoff specialist means the 2018 class wasn't disappointing, nevermind the fact they arent even counted in the 2018 class rankings and nobody was talking about them to start with
Posted by SoloTiger
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:44 pm to


Ree is very hard headed. I wonder if Ree is Lester Earls alter??

They share that trait in spades.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:45 pm to
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naw he's shite talked Miles a bunch. he did in response to me in this thread



I should have clarified, since O took over
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:46 pm to
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I wonder if Ree is Lester Earls alter??


I rarely agree with Lester on ANYTHING, but he puts thought behind what he says. Even if it's just enough thought to figure out how to be on the opposite side of something.

Ree hasn't shown he's capable of any thought.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:46 pm to
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5-star Maea Teuhema who transferred to Southeastern La


Who was a 2-year starter here before being forced out, not choosing to transfer out after 1 season of not playing
Posted by Tiger Ree
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:47 pm to
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Because the article clearly states in addition to the recruiting class FINISHING at 23 (22), they went and added 3 transfers as well.


Oh really, did it now?

This is from an article on Clemson transfer Kelly Bryant.

"Arkansas signed 21 last year so they are allowed to count back four scholarships thus giving them 29 for the Class of 2019. However, a school can only have 85 players on scholarship at once so Arkansas still has work to do to get down to that number by next summer when rosters have to be submitted to the NCAA.

Also there has been some confusion on graduate transfers counting against the 25. Some think they only count against the 85-overall total, but that isn’t true. Wide receiver Chase Harrell was one of Arkansas’ 21 last year and if Clemson transfer Kelly Bryant were to choose the Hogs he will count against the 29 scholarships in Class of 2019."

Arkansas Football Recruiting Notepad, Including Kelly Bryant Update
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:49 pm to
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Oh really, did it now?



Yes

Clearly states after the dust settled on the recruiting class at 23 (really 22), then they went out and got Burrow, Tracy, Alexander as transfers...pretty clear read to anyone

Not to mention I've posted the recruiting class and the rankings from 2018 a number of times of which absolutely never have included transfers in it, which you just simply ignore and post an article that doesn't support your argument still.

Not to mention quite literally everyone in this conversation is disagreeing with you, but hey, continue on with the propaganda string. The funny part is we are all excited that the 2019 class was a great bounce back and 2020 is looking fantastic, yet you're stuck trying to convince all of us 2018 wasn't some abnormally bad recruiting class with 1/3 of it already gone. We're not Damone here, we're just realistic and can acknowledge things at their face value. 2018 was at best a below average recruiting class for us.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Tiger Ree
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:57 pm to
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Because the article clearly states in addition to the recruiting class FINISHING at 23 (22), they went and added 3 transfers as well. But those do not count as part of the RECRUITING class,


From Dandy's:

"Ever since the NCAA instituted a few policy changes and the early signing period, there has been a lot of uncertainty about the so-called 25-signing cap

DandyDon.com reached out to Blair Napolitano, LSU's Assistant Athletic Director for Compliance,

Dandy Don: LSU signed 21 players in the early signing period, including graduate transfer kicker Cole Tracy. How many more players can LSU sign in this 2018 class?

Napolitano: Four. LSU used all of its allotted 25 slots for the 2017 signing class."



"Dandy Don: Do all transfers (graduate transfers and undergraduate transfers) count toward the signing limitation per class?

Napolitano: Yes. Any incoming student enrolling at LSU for the first time – graduate transfer, undergraduate transfers (junior college and four-year) or any high school student – count toward the 25 for that year. For instance, DT Breiden Fehoko, who transferred to LSU from Texas Tech after the 2016 season, counts in the Tigers' 2017 signing class from last February."

Q&A with Blair Napolitano on 25-Signing Cap, Transfers, Walk-ons, and More
Posted by SoloTiger
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 1:00 pm to
Stop...just stop. Step away from the keyboard and take a Xanax.
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