re: will RSJ's recruitment affect Texas in the future?

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Mack's shtick has always been pretty absurd

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What's absurd about telling kids to make sure that you're ready to commit before you do? If you want to take visits do it before you give your verbal. Is 17-18 to early to start expecting kids to honor their word?

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You think hs coaches in Texas will finally realize this idiocy?

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Texas coaches know that Mack will take care of his players. The fact that he is able to recruit so well is because of the relationships he started building/rebuilding at the HS level the minute he took over as head coach.

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Is 17-18 to early to start expecting kids to honor their word?

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If a 17-18 year old kid honestly changes his mind and says, "ya know, I really liked school X 10 months ago, but now I feel the best school for my future is school Y," then I have no problem with a switch. There does need to be (and several coaches including Mack have pushed for this) an early signing period for college football players. Say a signing date of August 1st before their senior year. The player gets to have the security of a scholarship should anything happen to him during his senior year (and finish the process so he can concentrate on school/season). The school gets some certainty in its recruiting class.

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If a 17-18 year old kid honestly changes his mind and says, "ya know, I really liked school X 10 months ago, but now I feel the best school for my future is school Y," then I have no problem with a switch.

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I agree.

I'm not against a decommit...but I'm more for a kid taking his time if needed and planning on sticking to his word when he makes a decision.

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I'm not against a decommit...but I'm more for a kid taking his time if needed and planning on sticking to his word when he makes a decision.

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Pretty much the way I feel but T. Davis last year set the standard for no class. Not only did he decommit at the last minute but amazingly said that he had the impression the LSU team wasn't very united, didn't get along well, etc. Hmmm, let's see Mr. Davis...your contact with them had been over several months but surprisingly 3 months ago before NSD, you didn't say that...not 1 month, not 2 weeks, not 2 days before NSD. Hey, to be deceitful and not have the balls to decommit like a man is bad enough. But please, don't insult the intelligent of people who follow recruiting that amazingly in the last 2 hours, the entire team unity unraveled. That was the classic spin to try to bail him out of being basically a guy with 0 character and a slanderer to boot.

I can just hear his nasally high-pitched voice saying "Here at Texas...blah blah blah". Like Texas has something LSU, Bama, Florida, UGA, Tenn, Ohio State, USC and others do not. Mack is so full of it. He honestly thinks that the more he says that baloney, the more folks buy it, but truth be known it only works for a subset of the burnt Orange nation.

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a guy with 0 character and a slanderer to boot.

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Yep, glad he went to Texas! Sometimes you get lucky in the process. Don't need guys like that on your team.

One more bad season for UT and the recruiting floodgates will open. Pretty much the perfect storm brewing there with UT having back to back poor season, A&M in the SEC with LSU and others getting much more Texas exposure, and Mack on the verge of being ousted/retirement.

Then when they get rid of Mack UT will go beast mode in recruiting again, unless the new guy proves he can't win big.

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The problem wasn't Mack, it was the assistants. He's a CEO type HC, like Les, so his assisitants are key. He has a new group for the most part now and they are back on the rise..

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Agree 100% and that is the most understated fact about not only recruiting but game day coaching and preparation. Oh, it is good hype to talk about little Nicky vs Les Miles but anyone who knows squat about football knows that is a TINY part of even the coaching. What counts is who you hire as assistants. Miles has been magnficent in that regard with only about 2 or 3 exceptions. Neither Peveto nor Mallory were DC material...Miles dumped them after 1 season. Lane was a bust as a DL coach and Gonzales as WR coach. Crowton could go either way...better OC than he is a QB coach.

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Texas didn't lose anything by losing Shepard. He wasn't a QB and they recognized it early. Even though he sucked, gilbert was a better choice. What has Shepard done at LSU to deserve so much praise? Underachieve and be a bad wr? He's the most overrated player on our roster. I like the guy but that doesn't change the fact that he's an athlete without real football skills. He's a bust and no LSU fan should trump him up as a "win" in recruiting over Texas. It was a situational thing. How many kids have we offered that they got? Probably dozens. Davis was a bigger win for them than Shepard was for us and that's just talking recruitments and discounting Shepard's lack of skill so far. If we had gotten Riser, Mike Davis, Cedris Reed etc then maybe we'd have an argument but not Shepard. He was no 5* even then. Weak armed athletes don't make 5* QBs.

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Agree 100% about Shepard but of course LSU knew he wouldn't make it at QB also. Just the chance to try QB got him to LSU. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the overall skills to play college football. He has fantastic straightaway speed...that is it. If he was rated a high 3* he wouldn't be a bust. That is where I would have rated him. But unfortunately for him (not his fault), the ratings people put pressure on him by amazingly giving a mediocre college prospect 5*. BTW, I will disagree with one statement. Since when was Gilbert a better choice? You know he "busted" at Texas right and is now at SMU. Sorry, you and I part ways here. IMO, Shepard has done BETTER at LSU than Gilbert did at Texas or will do at SMU. As far as T. Davis goes, you are quite the optimist. I predict the kid will do squat at Texas. I have 0 idea how talented the guy is, but you have the lack of integrity and start blaming others for your issues and attacking teammates/future teammates, your future is bleak. This guy is going to end up going the Ryan Perrilloux route...just watch.

On your Shepard QB critique I agree about the weak arm but if you watched the UA QB skills test, there was another huge problem. The guy was way behind the target pull which means he either can't make a quick decision or winds up like Jordan Jefferson to throw a pass.

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It seems like there are only two major football recruiting schools in Texas right now (1 Texas and 2 A&M). TCU has been great by their recent standards but have just not recruited at near the level of the Horns. Schools like SMU, Baylor, Tech, Houston are just not going to take recruits from Texas in general. Of course this could change to some extent. Mack Brown's arrival was when they started getting who they wanted to get again - and his departure could mean a regression that would benefit schools like OU, Ok State, A&M, TCU, and LSU. But Texas and A&M are the flagship schools of that state and everything else being equal one of those schools (more likely Texas) should dominate Texas recruiting IMO

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I would be careful about drawing any quick conclusions about TCU. They routinely have classes that don't look so great at first glance only to have them outperform most of the other schools in the state.

For example, DCTF reviewed the 2007 class and had TCU as the best of all the Texas schools after final review. That class was ranked by Rivals as 80th in the country and UT's class was ranked #5 for that year.