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re: Why Saban Outrecruits Everyone: Pulled an offer on a kid yesterday
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:42 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:42 pm to TideWarrior
Bama has 17 seniors believed to be on scholarship and lost 3 juniors to the pros. 2 players were suspended for the bowl game but their dismissal from the team has not been announced. So at least three players will be required to transfer, medical redshirt or otherwise leave the program.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:46 pm to jddawg58
Troll Tide!!!
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:46 pm to jddawg58
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Bama signed 28 in 2010. Belue didn't make it. Carswell and Love had to be moved to 2011 because Bama had 27 for 2010
There is a huge difference. Prior to this year a school could backcount players into any open spots on the roster. Meaning any counter not just initial counters. The new rule only allows a school to backcount if the prior year's class had open spots that are initial counters.
For example Mike Morrow traansferred in Sept of 2010. He was a counter not an initial counter. But in 2010 when he transferred out it left our roster with only 84 players at the start of the season. This allowed UA to backcount one of the 2011 players into that spot. The new rule does not allow that. We had sevral players throughout those years that trasferred or went on medical and no one knows exactly when that we back counted players into.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:46 pm to TideWarrior
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That's right. No Alabama players smoke pot. They only smoke pot AFTER they leave Alabama, but never while they wear the Crimson uniform (see Dre Kirkpatrick
Brent "Blunt" Calloway says hi.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:52 pm to jddawg58
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P.S. If you count for the 25 you count for the 85.
The only number that really counts is the 85. How we get there is the only important thing. The 25 is not a concern and really has nothing to do with the 85. If the 25 was a big deal in relation to the 85 why have we brought in 103 in the last 4 classes.
25 is the max you can to the incoming class, 85 is the max on the roster in the fall on scholarship. If 25 had a real value then a school would only be allowed to bring in what they have room for and not 25 even though they do not have 25 spots.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:55 pm to thunderbird1100
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I really don't understand how this shite doesn't catch up to Saban in recruiting
He's been doing it forever, and it never seems to hurt him.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:59 pm to TideWarrior
Even
Even when you could sign 28 you could only enroll 25. Thus Carswell and Love count toward 2011 since 25 enrolled in 2010. Now if a recruit signs an LOI, he counts against that year even if he never enrolls. This is why Gladney was not signed, because if he doesn't qualify he still counts against the 25. Questionable recruits won't sign until academics are resolved. You may hold a slot for a great prospect, but he won't sign until you know he is eligible.
You are wrong about Philon accepting a grayshirt and counting against this class. If that was possible, you just take him and redshirt him. He was asked to grayshirt because there is no slot available until next Jan.
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There is a huge difference. Prior to this year a school could backcount players into any open spots on the roster. Meaning any counter not just initial counters. The new rule only allows a school to backcount if the prior year's class had open spots that are initial counters.
Even when you could sign 28 you could only enroll 25. Thus Carswell and Love count toward 2011 since 25 enrolled in 2010. Now if a recruit signs an LOI, he counts against that year even if he never enrolls. This is why Gladney was not signed, because if he doesn't qualify he still counts against the 25. Questionable recruits won't sign until academics are resolved. You may hold a slot for a great prospect, but he won't sign until you know he is eligible.
You are wrong about Philon accepting a grayshirt and counting against this class. If that was possible, you just take him and redshirt him. He was asked to grayshirt because there is no slot available until next Jan.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:06 pm to TideWarrior
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The only number that really counts is the 85. How we get there is the only important thing. The 25 is not a concern and really has nothing to do with the 85. If the 25 was a big deal in relation to the 85 why have we brought in 103 in the last 4 classes.
25 is the max you can to the incoming class, 85 is the max on the roster in the fall on scholarship. If 25 had a real value then a school would only be allowed to bring in what they have room for and not 25 even though they do not have 25 spots.
You don't know what you are talking about. You can take 25 each year in Feb. but you must be down to 85 by AUG. You also can't take more EEs than you have open slots in Jan.
The reason Philon was asked to grayshirt is because we had more than our 25 plus the back counters. They had to manipulate his counting status until Jan 2013, where he will count as an EE against the 25 for 2013. Could have a slot for a back counter if someone from this class falls out, gets dismissed, et. cet.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:09 pm to jddawg58
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You don't know what you are talking about. You can take 25 each year in Feb. but you must be down to 85 by AUG. You also can't take more EEs than you have open slots in Jan.
Raining truth right there...
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:17 pm to AlaTiger
Cutthroat little bastard.
"There is room at the top, they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
if you want to be like the folks on the hill."
"There is room at the top, they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
if you want to be like the folks on the hill."
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:36 pm to jddawg58
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You don't know what you are talking about. You can take 25 each year in Feb. but you must be down to 85 by AUG. You also can't take more EEs than you have open slots in Jan.
The reason Philon was asked to grayshirt is because we had more than our 25 plus the back counters. They had to manipulate his counting status until Jan 2013, where he will count as an EE against the 25 for 2013. Could have a slot for a back counter if someone from this class falls out, gets dismissed, et. cet.
This is what I was saying all along. And, why in the world would Philon believe that Saban would hold a spot for him for 2013 when he yanked his spot that he thought he had for the last several months?
Philon did the right thing by moving on.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:41 pm to AlaTiger
DICK! I hope the kid has four or five sacks every time out against the Gumps.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:45 pm to AlaTiger
I am not reading through 8 pages...
My initial reaction is what Saban did to Philon is not very different to what Miles did to Miller. Miller had been told he had a slot, was planning to enroll in January, and was told in December that there was no room and he would have to pay his on way.
This has probably been discussed somewhere in the previous pages...is there a difference?
My initial reaction is what Saban did to Philon is not very different to what Miles did to Miller. Miller had been told he had a slot, was planning to enroll in January, and was told in December that there was no room and he would have to pay his on way.
This has probably been discussed somewhere in the previous pages...is there a difference?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:49 pm to GABlueDog
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his has probably been discussed somewhere in the previous pages...is there a difference?
Yes it has been discussed and yes there is a difference.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:09 pm to MoreOrLes
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I do love how every gump homer has "inside info" on what the coaches at bama are doing.
This is a good point. It's really silly for any of us to pretend that we have a firm understanding of exactly what transpired in any of these scenarios especially when we're just doing it to relay a false sense of moral superiority over our rival fanbase.
Fact is not all offers are unconditional. Some are contingent on outside circumstances and no one here knows which recruit was promised what. It's not uncommon for a recruit to be told his offer could require a greyshirt contingent on numbers. I'm also doubtful that Early Enrollee status is 100% guaranteed by a coach.
All we know about Philon and Miller are that they were upset and signed with different schools because their enrollment was to be delayed.
For any of us to imply that one of those "scenarios" was on the up-and-up and the other was diabolical would imply we have some secret knowledge... which is pretty transparent.
Maybe one was lied to. Maybe both were lied to. Maybe they are 18 year old kids who heard what they wanted to hear and got upset when things didn't work out just so.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:38 pm to Hankster2
quote:You know, if all Bama fans came here and talked logically without the hints of flames or stupidity, most here would be inclined to have healthy debates.
Hankster2
But the fact that most are only here to cause trouble and some even think they are helping their recruiting by doing so, hurts the rest, although few that only want to talk football and recruiting.
You seem as level headed as any I have seen here.
Hope your posts continue to reflect the integrity and sportsmanship that is sadly missing from most fan bases.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:40 pm to Kcoyote
Kcoyote -- the truth is being lost somewhere in the mix. Saban is pulling sleazy shite but not getting called on it. Louisiana high school coaches (some of them) enjoy rubbing elbows w/ Nick and lose sight of what's best for their players. Miles is too nice of a guy to do negative recruiting, but as we see w/ the Republican presidential primaries, negative works (Romney is negativing Newt to death.) Hell, make copies of these types of articles that appeared in the Montgomery newspaper and send them to the high schools.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:45 pm to jddawg58
They have a great video on Yahoo homepage. Poor kid with his head on the table and a Bama hat.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They have a great video on Yahoo homepage. Poor kid with his head on the table and a Bama hat.
that's what I'm talking about -- someone needs to send this to the La. high school coaches assoc. and tell them to get their noses out of Saban's arse and wake up and smell the coffee
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:52 pm to TigerJeff
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that's what I'm talking about -- someone needs to send this to the La. high school coaches assoc. and tell them to get their noses out of Saban's arse and wake up and smell the coffee
Yep, this is gonna be a huge national embarrassment on the school, not that that backwards fan base will give a shite.
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