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re: Why recruit dual Threat Quarterbacks??

Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by BigSlick
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:52 pm to
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We can't develop dual threat QBs. We can't develop pro style QBs.


The current "wes" haven't had much chance. Let's all hope Ensminger is different.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:59 pm to
Mahomes was dual threat.

Mahomes passed for over 5000 yards his last year at TTU.

Mahomes rushed for a whopping 2.2 yard average and 200 yards.

A good dual threat can wing it.

Most college QBs dont pan out.


Posted by saintsfan22
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Member since May 2006
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:00 pm to
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The current "wes" haven't had much chance.

They had spring to develop Brennan, Narcisse, and McMillan and that ended with scrambling for a transfer.
Posted by Bow dude72
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:03 pm to
Have an upvote. That’s exactly how I feel.
Posted by BigSlick
No Idea
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:07 pm to
Right! One whole spring! How long do think it should take?
Posted by Bow dude72
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:10 pm to
I also believe quarterbacks are born with talent. For example, Jake Fromm was a true freshmen last year. How much coaching do you think Kirby and company had to do with developing him? I guess that’s another topic for another day.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:10 pm to
You're right, it's unheard of to have a highly recruited 2nd QB ready to start.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:15 pm to
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believe quarterbacks are born with talent. For example, Jake Fromm was a true freshmen last year. How much coaching do you think Kirby and company had to do with developing him? I guess that’s another topic for another day.
I believe this 100%, we need to look at who we are recruiting as well as how we are coaching them.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:01 pm to
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Mahomes was dual threat.
Patrick Mahomes was much more of a pocket passer QB than runner just like Teddy Bridgewater, that's why they throw so well.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12214 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:45 pm to
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What makes you say Harris and McMillan were Dual Threats?


They were black so they were dual threat QBs.
Posted by BigSlick
No Idea
Member since Jan 2013
1206 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:59 pm to
How long did it take the previous regime to develop Harris and Jennings? Oh, wait...

It's easy to say that any team should have at least two capable quarterbacks but that's not always the case in real life. It's also easy to blame the current staff for problems that started before they got there.

A few quarterbacks walk in ready to play. Some never develop no matter who's trying to coach them. Most fall somewhere in between.

Last year's OC is gone. Ensminger was the interim OC in 2016 but, guess what: Brennan and Narcisse weren't there and McMillan started under Miles/Cameron. McMillan has gotten lots of grief on this board from posters who have been pretty vocal that he was never P5 material. It doesn't appear that Narcisse is, either. It's been said pretty often that Brennan needs time. So, just exactly who do you propose should have been developed in one spring?

My point was that it might be just a little unreasonable to criticize the current staff for not developing quarterbacks when they haven't had much time to do it...only one spring, as you so brilliantly pointed out.

If you think a new OC/QB coach is supposed to work miracles in one spring with not much to work with and when the previous OC couldn't do it in a year and the one before him never could, then go back to fantasyland...or just admit you have a hard-on against O.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:05 pm to
Lowell was the best among them and he quit like a b1tch because he wasn’t starting as a RS Freshman
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
76063 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:08 pm to
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It's been said pretty often that Brennan needs time.

It's said now. Go back 5 months and it was said that he was ready to take over.
quote:

If you think a new OC/QB coach is supposed to work miracles in one spring

Developing a starter is only working a miracle around these parts.
quote:

unreasonable to criticize the current staff for not developing quarterbacks when they haven't had much time to do it.

This is also ignoring Steve's shaky history at QB development. Even the chief of the spin team has to go all the way back to Eric Zeier.
Posted by LSUFootballFANATIC
Way Up North
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:25 pm to
I've been asking this question for a decade...
Posted by KC_LSUFAN
Kansas City
Member since Jun 2017
617 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:28 pm to
Harris was not a pocket passer in H/S....
wrong sir, he was a runner, just like Russel Shepherd!
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
76063 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:36 pm to
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Harris was not a pocket passer in H/S....
wrong sir, he was a runner, just like Russel Shepherd!



No. Russell ran for more yards than he threw for his senior year of HS and ran for twice as many TDs as he passed for in his career. Harris passed for 3000 and ran for 1000.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:11 pm to
There is a group who do not want "dual threat" QBs at LSU. They ignore the lack of development of QBs at LSU for more than a decade. Les Miles was a QB killer and all QBs, except Mett, flat lined at LSU. In fact, many seemed to play their best as freshman and declined the longer they were being "developed" under Miles. Miles philosophy of playing conservative and not to lose made development of the QB very limited. His QBs always played scared rather than with confidence and aggressiveness. Poor Brandon Harris had all the potential and self confidence in the world as a freshman until Miles neutered him. He was a nervous wreck by the time he left LSU.

These same people who are against "dual threat" QBs ignore the success of "dual threat" QBs nationally. In fact, like above, many want to claim a "dual threat" that can pass is a rarity, despite the vast number who have passed for 3000+ yards nationally at TCU, Baylor, Oregon, Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Clemson, Florida State, West VA, Florida, and so forth and so on.
In fact, they are no more rare than the successful pocket passers. But that doesn't fit the anti-dual threat group narrative. In fact, it counterintutive to prefer a single threat QB over a dual threat QB.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38248 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:27 pm to
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The QBs you listed can only run and sucked at passing.


McMillan looked like the best passer on the team in the last 2 spring games I saw.
Posted by Bow dude72
Member since Mar 2017
2537 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:43 pm to
Last spring game he over threw a pass on a wide receiver screen. That’s easiest pass in the playbook. I think he was limited to roll out passes and was not a good qb in the pocket.
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

Why recruit dual Threat Quarterbacks??


To have a quarterback with more than one threat?
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