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re: Why recruit dual Threat Quarterbacks??
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:52 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:52 pm to saintsfan22
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We can't develop dual threat QBs. We can't develop pro style QBs.
The current "wes" haven't had much chance. Let's all hope Ensminger is different.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:59 pm to Air_Raid7
Mahomes was dual threat.
Mahomes passed for over 5000 yards his last year at TTU.
Mahomes rushed for a whopping 2.2 yard average and 200 yards.
A good dual threat can wing it.
Most college QBs dont pan out.
Mahomes passed for over 5000 yards his last year at TTU.
Mahomes rushed for a whopping 2.2 yard average and 200 yards.
A good dual threat can wing it.
Most college QBs dont pan out.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:00 pm to BigSlick
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The current "wes" haven't had much chance.
They had spring to develop Brennan, Narcisse, and McMillan and that ended with scrambling for a transfer.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:03 pm to JONBURRIS1981
Have an upvote. That’s exactly how I feel.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:07 pm to saintsfan22
Right! One whole spring! How long do think it should take?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:10 pm to Bow dude72
I also believe quarterbacks are born with talent. For example, Jake Fromm was a true freshmen last year. How much coaching do you think Kirby and company had to do with developing him? I guess that’s another topic for another day.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:10 pm to BigSlick
You're right, it's unheard of to have a highly recruited 2nd QB ready to start.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:15 pm to Bow dude72
quote:I believe this 100%, we need to look at who we are recruiting as well as how we are coaching them.
believe quarterbacks are born with talent. For example, Jake Fromm was a true freshmen last year. How much coaching do you think Kirby and company had to do with developing him? I guess that’s another topic for another day.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:01 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Patrick Mahomes was much more of a pocket passer QB than runner just like Teddy Bridgewater, that's why they throw so well.
Mahomes was dual threat.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:45 pm to Spotswoode
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What makes you say Harris and McMillan were Dual Threats?
They were black so they were dual threat QBs.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:59 pm to saintsfan22
How long did it take the previous regime to develop Harris and Jennings? Oh, wait...
It's easy to say that any team should have at least two capable quarterbacks but that's not always the case in real life. It's also easy to blame the current staff for problems that started before they got there.
A few quarterbacks walk in ready to play. Some never develop no matter who's trying to coach them. Most fall somewhere in between.
Last year's OC is gone. Ensminger was the interim OC in 2016 but, guess what: Brennan and Narcisse weren't there and McMillan started under Miles/Cameron. McMillan has gotten lots of grief on this board from posters who have been pretty vocal that he was never P5 material. It doesn't appear that Narcisse is, either. It's been said pretty often that Brennan needs time. So, just exactly who do you propose should have been developed in one spring?
My point was that it might be just a little unreasonable to criticize the current staff for not developing quarterbacks when they haven't had much time to do it...only one spring, as you so brilliantly pointed out.
If you think a new OC/QB coach is supposed to work miracles in one spring with not much to work with and when the previous OC couldn't do it in a year and the one before him never could, then go back to fantasyland...or just admit you have a hard-on against O.
It's easy to say that any team should have at least two capable quarterbacks but that's not always the case in real life. It's also easy to blame the current staff for problems that started before they got there.
A few quarterbacks walk in ready to play. Some never develop no matter who's trying to coach them. Most fall somewhere in between.
Last year's OC is gone. Ensminger was the interim OC in 2016 but, guess what: Brennan and Narcisse weren't there and McMillan started under Miles/Cameron. McMillan has gotten lots of grief on this board from posters who have been pretty vocal that he was never P5 material. It doesn't appear that Narcisse is, either. It's been said pretty often that Brennan needs time. So, just exactly who do you propose should have been developed in one spring?
My point was that it might be just a little unreasonable to criticize the current staff for not developing quarterbacks when they haven't had much time to do it...only one spring, as you so brilliantly pointed out.
If you think a new OC/QB coach is supposed to work miracles in one spring with not much to work with and when the previous OC couldn't do it in a year and the one before him never could, then go back to fantasyland...or just admit you have a hard-on against O.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:05 pm to Air_Raid7
Lowell was the best among them and he quit like a b1tch because he wasn’t starting as a RS Freshman
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:08 pm to BigSlick
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It's been said pretty often that Brennan needs time.
It's said now. Go back 5 months and it was said that he was ready to take over.
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If you think a new OC/QB coach is supposed to work miracles in one spring
Developing a starter is only working a miracle around these parts.
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unreasonable to criticize the current staff for not developing quarterbacks when they haven't had much time to do it.
This is also ignoring Steve's shaky history at QB development. Even the chief of the spin team has to go all the way back to Eric Zeier.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:25 pm to Air_Raid7
I've been asking this question for a decade...
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:28 pm to Spotswoode
Harris was not a pocket passer in H/S....
wrong sir, he was a runner, just like Russel Shepherd!
wrong sir, he was a runner, just like Russel Shepherd!
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:36 pm to KC_LSUFAN
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Harris was not a pocket passer in H/S....
wrong sir, he was a runner, just like Russel Shepherd!
No. Russell ran for more yards than he threw for his senior year of HS and ran for twice as many TDs as he passed for in his career. Harris passed for 3000 and ran for 1000.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:11 pm to saintsfan22
There is a group who do not want "dual threat" QBs at LSU. They ignore the lack of development of QBs at LSU for more than a decade. Les Miles was a QB killer and all QBs, except Mett, flat lined at LSU. In fact, many seemed to play their best as freshman and declined the longer they were being "developed" under Miles. Miles philosophy of playing conservative and not to lose made development of the QB very limited. His QBs always played scared rather than with confidence and aggressiveness. Poor Brandon Harris had all the potential and self confidence in the world as a freshman until Miles neutered him. He was a nervous wreck by the time he left LSU.
These same people who are against "dual threat" QBs ignore the success of "dual threat" QBs nationally. In fact, like above, many want to claim a "dual threat" that can pass is a rarity, despite the vast number who have passed for 3000+ yards nationally at TCU, Baylor, Oregon, Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Clemson, Florida State, West VA, Florida, and so forth and so on.
In fact, they are no more rare than the successful pocket passers. But that doesn't fit the anti-dual threat group narrative. In fact, it counterintutive to prefer a single threat QB over a dual threat QB.
These same people who are against "dual threat" QBs ignore the success of "dual threat" QBs nationally. In fact, like above, many want to claim a "dual threat" that can pass is a rarity, despite the vast number who have passed for 3000+ yards nationally at TCU, Baylor, Oregon, Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Clemson, Florida State, West VA, Florida, and so forth and so on.
In fact, they are no more rare than the successful pocket passers. But that doesn't fit the anti-dual threat group narrative. In fact, it counterintutive to prefer a single threat QB over a dual threat QB.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:27 pm to Keeble9145
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The QBs you listed can only run and sucked at passing.
McMillan looked like the best passer on the team in the last 2 spring games I saw.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:43 pm to mdomingue
Last spring game he over threw a pass on a wide receiver screen. That’s easiest pass in the playbook. I think he was limited to roll out passes and was not a good qb in the pocket.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:59 pm to Air_Raid7
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Why recruit dual Threat Quarterbacks??
To have a quarterback with more than one threat?
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