re: What do we finish ranked at the end of the recruiting year?

How do y'all possibly know this is a mediocre class? They haven't gotten on the field yet lmao. You people amaze me with you're expertise.

No one has any idea what any of these kids could develop into, not one.

Between 2000 and 2017 there were (61) 3* guys that played dominant rolls for LSU. Couldn't have won all the games Miles did without them. Then there were just as many 4* busts as there were 3* if not more. I didn't count them both but looked hard at them. By bust I mean didn't play a roll at all or transfered before playing. Lately many of our 3* recruits have turned out to be huge contributors. There's many variables that go into how a kid develops. Again not one of you know what these kids will look like between 1-4 years.

Then you also need attrition, we have another class coming in, ya know the 2019 class which is extremly talented from top to bottom. Not everyone gets to play some will have to go. I would venture to say that we could field the 2016, 2017, skip 2018 and recruit 2019 and win a championship. Of course you don't wanna do that but we probably could. 2016, 2017 and 2019 might be our highest rated classes ever since rankings.

Yes it would be great if LSU could get everyone we preferred first on the board but it doesn't work like that, especially not when everyone in the country is using negetive recruiting against us at this time, including our own fans which doesn't help at all. We will need to have a successful season for these guys to be reassured, and that's how it would have been for any coach coming in.

This is also one of the worst years in LA in some time. We have to get who we can get. Then hope the season goes well to end it with some no doubt studs. The guys we have will be huge contributors at some time. That's all you can really ask for at this point.

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This makes no sense to me. You actually believe Miles has some sort of reputation in the NFL as a guy who develops great receivers? I've only ever heard that the LSU offense hindered receiver draft prospects and that guys were drafted highly in spite of Miles.

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Whitefoot,

I agree Miles had nothing to do hands on or from his offensive philosophy favoring the forward pass which could gets WR huge stats.

However, you can't agrue that under Miles' tenure many WR were drafted and in the NFL! One would wonder how is that, and since its true to the fact of the OP, lets see why.

Good solid WR recruits came to LSU and had only mediocre stats which was not their fault, it was the system and playcalling. But due to the system these WR learned how to blow up DBs and LBs in the blocking part of the game, and the intagibles (little things) that were not taught in air it out offenses. Those things made LSU receivers stick out in their Pro systems and coaches knew they were getting an all around WR.

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I agree about being skeptical that all the 3* guys will bump to 4*, but I disagree that all 3* are projects and all 4* and 5* guys are ready to contribute immediately. You can go through every recruiting class and find plenty of 4/5* guys who took a few years to see the field and 3* guys contributed early. You have to look at it in a case by case basis and not make blanket statements based on stars.

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Take a look at LSU's starting lineup over the 10-12 years and tell me how many 3 stars started after say year 1? compared to 4 and 5 star rated players. Trust me your theory will go belly up pretty quickly

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Whitefoot,

I agree Miles had nothing to do hands on or from his offensive philosophy favoring the forward pass which could gets WR huge stats.

However, you can't agrue that under Miles' tenure many WR were drafted and in the NFL! One would wonder how is that, and since its true to the fact of the OP, lets see why.

Good solid WR recruits came to LSU and had only mediocre stats which was not their fault, it was the system and playcalling. But due to the system these WR learned how to blow up DBs and LBs in the blocking part of the game, and the intagibles (little things) that were not taught in air it out offenses. Those things made LSU receivers stick out in their Pro systems and coaches knew they were getting an all around WR.

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I agree with everything you said, but do you think Orgeron isn't going to require that wide receivers to be willing to block in the running game? I can't imagine that aspect of the WR position is going to change one bit.

I still disagree with the point that Datbayoubengal was trying to make. Specifically:

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Marshall will not be coming here. Way too many other places he'd destroy at on his list. This isn't Miles so he also can't expect just to be a top NFL prospect at WR, Ed O doesn't have that clout yet.

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NFL guys don't draft players because of the "clout" of their college head coach. They watch the film, interview the players and talk to former coaches and make evaluations. Miles' "clout" had zero to do with our wide receivers being drafted highly. In fact, the last highly drafted receivers were OBJ and Landry and they both actually DID produce on the field.