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Softball early-recruting issue, Beth in the video
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:38 am
Stumbled into this amazing video. Really brings home the message of why early recruiting in softball is spiraling and benefits no one.
LSU Head coach appears later in the video.
I just don’t see why the coaches want Sept 1 to be the start of recruitment. Kids will be overwhelmed at start of their fall semester. Make it June 1st if anything.
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LSU Head coach appears later in the video.
I just don’t see why the coaches want Sept 1 to be the start of recruitment. Kids will be overwhelmed at start of their fall semester. Make it June 1st if anything.
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 1:42 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
NCAA needs to step in and do something, if not it will never change
No one should be able to commit until their junior year in hs. Thats my opinion on that
Let the kids be kids, let them work and develop, and mature. It puts way to much pressure on everyone as of now
Its way too hard to predict how some kids will pan out despite bein all stars at 13 or 14. Injuries happen and players burn out etc. Some kids turn into phenomenal players but by the time they do its too late because every major school has filled up their spots.
It would be much healthier on players and coaches if they made a rule change
No one should be able to commit until their junior year in hs. Thats my opinion on that
Let the kids be kids, let them work and develop, and mature. It puts way to much pressure on everyone as of now
Its way too hard to predict how some kids will pan out despite bein all stars at 13 or 14. Injuries happen and players burn out etc. Some kids turn into phenomenal players but by the time they do its too late because every major school has filled up their spots.
It would be much healthier on players and coaches if they made a rule change
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 4:52 pm to Tigerbait357
We as high school coaches would love to see this go through as well. Nothing like having an incoming 9th grader who has already committed.... some rest on their laurels, some work hard to live up to the commitment, and others can't deal with the pressure of hearing "she committed as an 8th grader" and trying to live up to those expectations.
Jo Evans of Texas A&M and Mike White of Oregon both spoke to the 500 coaches at my clinic in Houston in January expressing their support for this restriction.
A good friend of mine who is a former softball Olympic gold medal winner and now a local high school coach told me the other day that didn't commit to Texas until her junior year.
We will know the results of the legislation this week.
Jo Evans of Texas A&M and Mike White of Oregon both spoke to the 500 coaches at my clinic in Houston in January expressing their support for this restriction.
A good friend of mine who is a former softball Olympic gold medal winner and now a local high school coach told me the other day that didn't commit to Texas until her junior year.
We will know the results of the legislation this week.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 7:31 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
Coach Torina has a nice view of the Tiger Habitat and the PMAC from her office. Yea, I didn't know the recruited them in seventh grade. That has to stop. Many of them need weight loss programs too.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 7:42 pm to Hair of the Dog
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Coach Torina has a nice view of the Tiger Habitat and the PMAC from her office. Yea, I didn't know the recruited them in seventh grade. That has to stop. Many of them need weight loss programs too.
Well from travel ball a lot of them are watched at an early age just so coaches have an idea of who to look out for and keep on radar for the future. Back then you didn't have all these really really early commits, but coaches still observed the talented kids for sure.
The entire process has spiraled out of control. After a select few coaches started, it picked up steam. Coaches became desperate to pick up these top players early before they verbal to other schools. Soon after it started, players and parents started to put the pressure on coaches to make the offer or the kid would commit to another school. This type of stuff happens a lot today.
Now its just at a new level not seen before. Florida has offered a player who is only in 6th. It was the youngest commitment made in NCAA history.
I feel for players today. A lot of them have panic attacks and stress out because they aren't receiving phone calls from schools in 8th or as a freshman in hs, because today most players now commit to top schools around that time. It really puts a major disadvantage on kids who are late bloomers. Some kids don't really come into their own until junior years in hs
Posted on 4/15/18 at 7:42 pm to 18handicap
I hope it passes
It would be best for all parties involved.
Its nonsense to expect kids in 7th and 8th to make a decision on where they want to attend college
It would be best for all parties involved.
Its nonsense to expect kids in 7th and 8th to make a decision on where they want to attend college
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:04 pm to Tigerbait357
As soon as I know, I'll let you know. I'm sure the NFCA will send out an email to all of us members when something happens. I'll post it on my Texas Prep Softball website too.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:07 pm to Tigerbait357
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It really puts a major disadvantage on kids who are late bloomers. Some kids don't really come into their own until junior years in hs
I have a senior right now that fits this exactly and more in the past. Two years ago she didn't start much, now she could make any D1 roster. Because of the early recruiting now, she didn't even get a look, but she's going to a D2 and will do well.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:30 pm to Tigerbait357
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NCAA needs to step in and do something, if not it will never change
Realistically what can they do? If they arent allowed to commit until their Junior year, they will just do so privately as long as they are allowed to be recruited.
The only way for it to work would to not allow the prospective students to be contacted or recruited until their junior year - which is fine, but that may lead to less exposure and the kids working harder to find spots late rather than the pressure being on the schools to identify and compete for them early.
If a kid does not want to be recruited, thats simple - put your headstrong mother/sister/brother/best friend in charge of screening phone calls. Ask for the privacy of your suiting, and if a team doesnt respect that, threaten to eliminate them from contention.
Seems easy to me. I see what you are getting at, but I think the student athlete holds all the power while being recruited and should exercise it, not limit the chances of kids to be seen early and often...
ETA: Im just saying, careful what you wish for. There are unintended consequences that arent always seen ahead of time. Be sure to think it through and see it from all angles
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:56 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
No one can stop a verbal, its non binding too.
My proposition is for there to not be any type of one on one contact (email, texts, calls, unofficials) until junior year.
Coaches can still scout and watch players but can't contact them individually. Its not like coaches already don't watch kids at hs and travel ball levels. That won't be different
Is it really that much stress to find a school within your junior and senior years? It happens in a lot of other sports. Thats plenty of time. At this point, coaches can finally have a way better idea on the kids development and tangibles not seen when they are 8th graders. Like I said, so much happens between then and NSD. Its almost a 4 year period where kids can be injured, stop developing, burnout and not try much. I understand where you come from but at the same time I think its a bit irresponsible to have kids not even enrolled in hs to pick where they want to obtain their education from and extend their softball careers. Let the kids mature to be able to make these decisions that will impact them for the rest of their life.
Kids can still attend camps at universities but it can't be one on one with NCAA coaches.
There aren't perfect solutions but there are way better ones out there than what is implemented already
If they do make these type of adjustments, obviously it alters recruiting drastically and can impact a lot of schools from picking up top prospects. I just think it will be best for all parties involved.
My proposition is for there to not be any type of one on one contact (email, texts, calls, unofficials) until junior year.
Coaches can still scout and watch players but can't contact them individually. Its not like coaches already don't watch kids at hs and travel ball levels. That won't be different
Is it really that much stress to find a school within your junior and senior years? It happens in a lot of other sports. Thats plenty of time. At this point, coaches can finally have a way better idea on the kids development and tangibles not seen when they are 8th graders. Like I said, so much happens between then and NSD. Its almost a 4 year period where kids can be injured, stop developing, burnout and not try much. I understand where you come from but at the same time I think its a bit irresponsible to have kids not even enrolled in hs to pick where they want to obtain their education from and extend their softball careers. Let the kids mature to be able to make these decisions that will impact them for the rest of their life.
Kids can still attend camps at universities but it can't be one on one with NCAA coaches.
There aren't perfect solutions but there are way better ones out there than what is implemented already
If they do make these type of adjustments, obviously it alters recruiting drastically and can impact a lot of schools from picking up top prospects. I just think it will be best for all parties involved.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:55 pm to Tigerbait357
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Tigerbait357
Makes sense, your response is middle of the road and reasonable. In a perfect world, these kids all have sturdy, honest and responsible support systems to advise them, and if schools cross lines or put on too much pressure - the prospective athlete can dictate the space between them.
However, in a lot of cases, these kids dont have the right people in their lives advising them and looking out for them. Hopefully your proposal does exactly that if passed.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 1:11 am to Tigerbait357
If it passes, then from what I was told, the contact is supposed to stop.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:05 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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I just don’t see why the coaches want Sept 1 to be the start of recruitment. Kids will be overwhelmed at start of their fall semester. Make it June 1st if anything.
Don't stop at Softball, I say make it consistent for everyone. I don't see any reason for 8th graders to be committing to Football, Basketball, or any other sport. Jut too soon.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:10 pm to Tigerbait357
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My proposition is for there to not be any type of one on one contact (email, texts, calls, unofficials) until junior year
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Kids can still attend camps at universities but it can't be one on one with NCAA coaches.
Good call there. You can not stop a verbal. If a top tier elite pitcher wants to commit, no one can say no. Just get rid of the active one on one recruiting.
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