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re: Seastrunk a RB or WR in college?

Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:31 pm to
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:31 pm to
Lache

Watch this video and tell me he doesn't have COD.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:35 pm to
he does just what i said he does

he stops, plants both feet, then turns
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:47 pm to
He's a RB. Not near tall enough to be a WR. He'll gain some weight and get after it.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:49 pm to
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And does this all come about bc you think Keiland is a stud who has been misused? No offense, but Charles Scott is simply better than him.


what about the UK game where Scott was better than Hester and got rewarded with a seat on the bench for the 2nd half to watch a hurt Hester get 3 yards a carry all the way to the loss?
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:53 pm to
People mess up. Let it go man.... let it go
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 6:55 pm to
it's not isolated

see: last year
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:16 pm to
I truly don't think that mattered, Max. What lost the game is Pelini matching up McCray one-on-one on Lyons, and us getting no pass rush at all on Woodson. Flynn also missing on some throws and the poor WR play we were getting at that point also hurt.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:21 pm to
Scott being untacklable vs Hester being below average would've made no difference obviously in a game that went to overtime.

Scott got one carry after that insane 1st half vs UK, Keiland didn't touch the ball again after a 50 yard TD catch against AU in a game where we scored 14 points up until the last 3 seconds. Miles has seemingly punished playmakers, its a fact. I think he was trying to let Hester get his also in each game which was just stupid.
This post was edited on 8/4/09 at 7:24 pm
Posted by Thoreauxbred
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:22 pm to
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getting no pass rush at all on Woodson. Flynn also missing on some throws


these two things
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:24 pm to
The guy is exciteable and obviously loves Lache Seastrunk U. I'm just happy to see him show love to LSU.

Personally I see him filling out to DMac proportions and being that 1st and 2nd down back (plus 3rd and long). Also I agree with SFP's post about why this thread was started (what is our offensive direction) and LE's latest reification posts on this thread.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:27 pm to
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I always chuckle when people say this because it's kind of like an implicit admission for something stupid that they have just posted.



i dont post stupid.

It was just an opinion and intended to spark a discussion.

quote:

I think it's a huge stretch to think that he's a better prospect as a WR.


I never said he was a better WR prospect. He surely isnt right now. In 4 years from now though, he could be a better WR prospect than RB prospect.

There are certainly many, many more top notch small WR's in the NFL than small RB's.

quote:

Personally, I think there is a definite spot in the NFL for 200 to 210 pound RBs with great quickness and RB skills


Again, i never said there wasnt a spot for him in the NFL.

Im talking in terms of maximizing potential, though.


would he rather be a 4th round 3rd down back or a 1st round WR???

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But, it's not like his size is going to eliminate him from playing the position. You are wrong on that.




yeah, i never said he was eliminated from doing anything.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:27 pm to
I just don't remember Hester leaving a lot of yardage on the field in that game. You got to remember that Early was hurt then and Lafell had the dropsies, so our WR play was pretty terrible. Plus, for some reason Flynn's accuracy was really inconsistent. IMO the running game was simply shot bc we had no sort of passing threat to speak of.

I could be wrong, but I've always thought the criticism of Miles for not playing Scott in the second half, was a little overblown on here. I'm not sure that Scott would have done any better in the second half considering they were selling out to stop the run.
Posted by STLSU
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:29 pm to
"just saying" could mean stupid, but not in this case. it's difficult to have to explain the context to some folks, just saying.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:32 pm to
Pelini sucked in the game-yes
Flynn did too- yes
Keiland got replaced by Murphy after 1 carry because the ball bounced out after he was down even though the refs ruled him down correctly-yes

But there is still no excuse ever to bench someone that is running like a wild man for the entire 2nd half (save 1 carry). Hester was limping and got 61 yards on 18 carries. No excuse, who cares if they're selling out on the run. No excuse not to give KW zero touches in the 2nd half after he makes the only big play for your team in the 1st half vs Auburn.

Mies gets caught up in not wanting his bench players to outshine his little pets and its detrimental to the team.
Posted by Thoreauxbred
Member since Jul 2009
285 posts
Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:33 pm to
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I could be wrong, but I've always thought the criticism of Miles for not playing Scott in the second half, was a little overblown on here. I'm not sure that Scott would have done any better in the second half considering they were selling out to stop the run.


yep ..on top of the fact that we had left them in the game for too long and it was one of those games that had the feeling where the big favorite was not ready and the underdog was hyped and smelled blood... the stadium was into that game for UK the later the game grew. I was there and was never comfortable after we had a chance to open up early and failed to do so due to some mistakes
This post was edited on 8/4/09 at 7:36 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:37 pm to
things would have been much different if we had rode the hot hand, aka scott

we were playing like dogshit against AU until keiland scores. that gave us a ton of energy
Posted by Thoreauxbred
Member since Jul 2009
285 posts
Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:38 pm to
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Pelini sucked in the game-yes
Flynn did too- yes


our gameplans, specifically on defense, were non existant.. we were clearly hung over from the week prior against UF (late and hard game) and probably looking ahead to Auburn the following week.. it was a classic sandwich/trap game

Flynn's terrible play on top of it just allowed us to serve it up on a platter that much more
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:38 pm to
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Mies gets caught up in not wanting his bench players to outshine his little pets and its detrimental to the team.


I don't think it's that he has favorites as much as he and Crowton have a gameplan that they think will work best.

And I don't think we have to worry about Seastrunk not being one of his favorites. Now if Murphy is getting 20 carries a game during his Senior year and Lache/Ford are being stapled to the bench, then yes, we have a problem and you are right.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:43 pm to
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he and Crowton have a gameplan that they think will work best.

if you're right, then chavis fits PERFECTLY

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And I don't think we have to worry about Seastrunk not being one of his favorites. Now if Murphy is getting 20 carries a game during his Senior year and Lache/Ford are being stapled to the bench, then yes, we have a problem and you are right.

uh
ridley gets the scott carries (aka most of them)
murphy gets the keiland carries
ford/lache get the ridley/murphy carries
Posted by Thoreauxbred
Member since Jul 2009
285 posts
Posted on 8/4/09 at 7:45 pm to
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things would have been much different if we had rode the hot hand, aka scott


would, coulda, soulda , I guess

some believe that had Hester not gotten hurt he would have gotten that first down or at least gotten close... an immature Scott ran into the pile with his head down and met the LB directly without trying to misdirect the contact to carry his momentum forward to get the first
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