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re: Recruiting Mock Draft 2012 - JOHNNY FOOTBALL!!

Posted on 3/23/12 at 5:08 pm to
Posted by jembeurt
Raceland
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/23/12 at 5:08 pm to
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LSUFreek


Not to bust your balls because I really love the work you do with farks, but why do you waste time with that? We do this because it actually is fun trying to be a head coach picking a team and seeing how well you eye for talent is amongst others. More of a "low grade" cock measuring contest, I guess. Plus it makes the Central Michigan/Akron game actually worth watching..... aside from betting it.

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Can I view the past two years Google docs? Linky?

2011
2010

This post was edited on 3/23/12 at 5:09 pm
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/23/12 at 6:23 pm to
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but why do you waste time with that? We do this because it actually is fun trying to be a head coach picking a team and seeing how well you eye for talent is amongst others. More of a "low grade" cock measuring contest, I guess.


Like you guys, I am addicted to recruiting & it's all for the discovery. I don't know the process each of you guys use to identify players to pick, but watching team's complete classes gives me an idea on what teams might stay in the top 25 or not, and what player might be the next iconic & easily identifiable face like a "Tebow" that I can fark with. I always thought my way may be a more complete process as opposed to just identifying 25 or so prospects to pick & follow. But my way also makes me forget a buch of dudes because of the enormous volume of footage I go thru where guys didn't look "special", even though some turn out to surprise like Tyler Wilson did. I also miss out on small school guys like Memphis' DT Dontari Poe who I don't even hear about until draftniks identify him.

But as others have stated, y'all seem to be following & learning about each others picks, so in the end, we may be accomplishing the same thing by browsing over an enormous selection of prospects yet only retaining a 10th of it. And I can see how following guys on non-Top 25 teams would make a Central Mich/Akron game more interesting, so that's certainly a plus for this process & could be fun. But the only time I watch those matchups are for the one or two pro prospects identified to be in the game by one of my NFL Draft Preview pre-season mags as I am equally a draftnik and not interested in following a kid who will make all-MAC but does not have next level potential.
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/23/12 at 6:54 pm to
LSUfreek has kind of made me feel like all the Dungeon and Dragon dorks I snickered at in high school.


Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15890 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 7:03 pm to
I'm a recruiting nerd, too.

But I'm still trying to figure out how you guys let Marcus Lattimore go until the 18th pick in the 18th round.
Posted by Hand
far side of the moon
Member since Dec 2007
2089 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 7:20 pm to
He was taken 19th overall, but the guy that picked him dropped out during the middle of the draft so all of his players went into a pool to be repicked at the end. We had a bunch of guys drop that first year. None of us knew that it would take two months to do this damn thing.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15890 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 7:22 pm to
Thanks. Makes sense now.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 8:24 pm to
Dang you really followed it to know where Lattimore went.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 8:44 pm to
Damn I'm half drunk at a bar and too stupid to follow the thread.

freek, you're vested so if you ever want a spot, you're in.
Posted by jembeurt
Raceland
Member since Apr 2008
8872 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 9:15 pm to
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Memphis' DT Dontari Poe


Funny you mention him, because two years ago I drafted Johnnie Farms who went to Memphis as a guard. He was immediately moved to DT, and started next to Poe last year. He will be a big key for Memphis' Dline next year. Although he might not be as good as Poe though.

On another note, I drafted a LB two years ago that started every game his freshman year. There was a sophomore starting next to him and he had ungodly numbers as a freshman. He followed that season with two more amazing seasons. He will be drafted in the first round this year. His name is Luke Keuchly. I would have not known about him until late this year had it not been for the guy I drafted. It has been a real treat following him and my player the last two years.

That is one of the things I get out if doing this draft.

ETA: I also say that if we have room next year, he gets in. Just off his farks alone he is worthy.
This post was edited on 3/23/12 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Dro
Barrett's Barleycorn
Member since Feb 2010
12688 posts
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:16 pm to
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I also say that if we have room next year, he gets in. Just off his farks alone he is worthy.
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Freek
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15890 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 3:10 am to
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freek, you're vested so if you ever want a spot, you're in.


It's funny that I've gone from questioning the sanity of the members initially to now wanting to join in, even if it is 11 months or so away. And considering that the final grade of my initial "brilliant" draft probably won't be fully assessed until 2017, somehow this may be too crazy to pass up.

What is the time limit rule on selections? I usually work two 12 hour shifts per week, occasionally three nights in a row. With getting dressed for a shift, going to work and coming home to research a pick, I could be out of pocket approx 15 hours at a time if I am on the clock. I'm sure that could get annoying for guys picking behind me.

What is the eligibility criteria for a prospect for selection? I gather JUCO's are eligible, but what year? I see WR D'haquille Williams has already been selected before he even started JUCO, of which he has at least another year or so before Rivals will grade him with a eligible JUCO star-rating for a certain undetermined class. Will he be eligible for selection again? Same with TE John Thomas who was picked in the 20th round this year but never signed because of grades. Will Thomas be eligible again as a JUCO TE one day? My first thought was maybe only having "LOI signees" have eligibility, but then what about guys like Mettenberger who signed with one school & was eligible, but then got kicked out & went to JUCO and later signed by another school? Maybe dual eligibilty should be allowed because it would be too hard to track previous years of selections & you would never want to eliminate selecting JUCO prospects altogether because they are finally primed for a break-out in the big leagues & ripe for a selection process like this.

What's the rule on position selection? Do I have to fill out 22+ spots, one player at each position with players that play actually play that position? Or can I draft 22+ ATH's to fill out my roster? Can I take a OG and say I am switching him to DT? or draft a DE and say he is playing DT for me becuase I project him there even if the rest of the recruiting world doesn't agree?

This post was edited on 3/24/12 at 3:24 am
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19231 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 3:21 am to
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What is the time limit rule on selections? I usually work two 12 hour shifts per week, occasionally three nights in a row. With getting dressed for a shift, going to work and coming home to research a pick, I could be out of pocket approx 15 hours at a time if I am on the clock. I'm sure that could get annoying for guys picking behind me.


You can e-mail Pasty or Dan who you want with your next pick.
Posted by jembeurt
Raceland
Member since Apr 2008
8872 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 7:55 am to
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What is the time limit rule on selections?


There is no set time limit on our picks. If a person does not select in "some what" of a timely matter, then that person is "bumped", and the teams behind them can select. At this point, the team bumped can make their selection at any time. Usually after a few hours of being on the clock you will get bumped. Another way to get your selections made is by texting or emailing Dan, Pasty, or the like with your picks. That way, if you will be out when your pick comes up, they can pick for you, and the draft can continue on.

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What is the eligibility criteria for a prospect for selection?


It sounds trickier than it really is. An eligible player is ANY player that is leaving HS for that given year, even if that player does not sign with a college or not. With the case of JUCO or PREP school kids, they are eligible ONLY IF they were not previously selected when they came out of HS. Once a player has been selected, they can not be selected again, PERIOD. JUCO, PREP, transfer, mission, etc. We always have previous drafts on hand to see if a player has been previously selected. Control F on PC and Command F on MAC is your friend. Sadly enough, some people on here have yet to figure this out (ie.: Trey fricking Meteyor).

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What's the rule on position selection?


A team must select 11 offense and 11 defense in the first 22 rounds. 5 Olinmen and 6 skill position player on offense. This must also resemble an offense that one would see on the field (1 RB and 1 FB, 2 WR, 1 TE or 2 RB, 3 WR, etc). On defense, you can have whatever scheme you like, within reason. 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, 46 defense, etc. When it comes to switching a player from one position to another, it must be within reason. If you move a guy from dline to Oline, or a big WR to TE, or a LB to FB, that is fine. Moving Trindon Holliday to DE is obviously not reasonable, even though most on the rant will disagree with me. Usually looking at the teams website, and finding out what said coach is saying about said player will determine where they are looking at that player to be playing. Then we draft 3 supplemental players, in which this can be any player remaining in the player pool. 3 QBs, 3 WRs, 3 Kickers, it doesn't matter. Whatever you want.
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:05 am to
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What is the time limit rule on selections?


There is flexibility on this. We do require that you provide at least an email address so that we can let you know that it is your turn. Cell numbers are better b/c we can text. I guess we have about half of the cell numbers this year. If we know you are going to be out for a really long time, we ask that you either let us know who you want in advance, or we will bump after a while to the next guy. You make your pick when you show up. We have a few guys whose work schedule dictates when they pick.

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What is the eligibility criteria for a prospect for selection?


A guy can only be selected once. That is really the ultimate trump card. D'haquille is not eligible ever again for selection. Once you pick a guy, he is on your roster forever (whether he ends up in the 1st Round of the NFL or in jail).

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What's the rule on position selection?
This is another gray area. You fill your roster according to the scheme that you decide on. It can evolve as the draft takes place, or you can decide on it upfront. I prefer to let the draft dictate whether or not I will play a 3-4 or 4-3 for instance. Others have a different idea. You fill your roster with an offense and defense. You generally keep a guy at his position he is recruited for. You have some flexibility with ATH and in the case where different recruiting services have players listed at different positions. We then have 3 supplemental picks that can be at any position.

Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:28 am to
Sorry guys, Imani Cross, RB Nebraska
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:40 am to
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Sorry guys, Imani Cross, RB Nebraska


Pick so nice, you made it twice?

I have to admit this confused me for a minute. Did you stay out late last night?

Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:32 am to
No, I have no idea how that was posted as I woke up 20 minutes ago....the RMD is possessed.
Posted by HARRY3740
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
835 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:55 am to
Ashton Broyld QB Syracuse
Posted by David, Larry David
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
1965 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 10:06 am to
Ashton Broyld was supposed to be the man that lead Syracuse into relevance but then he whipped out his junk and showed it to the opposing team's fans. He then didn't make grades and went to Prep School. That old story. But now Broyld is back, dick in hand, and ready to lead Syracuse.

Broyld is true dual threat- QB not just a guy scrambling around in high school. Once he gets the starting job, he'll keep it.
Posted by Hand
far side of the moon
Member since Dec 2007
2089 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 10:25 am to
Nice. I almost picked him last year, but then he cracked the whip at the basketball game and his future on the field became uncertain. He certainly has swag. He can be special at Syracuse.
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