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Question regarding 247 Composite Team Rankings-2018
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:22 am
Alabama sits with 18 total commits-ranked 5th
5 Stars-1
4 Stars-12
3 Stars-5
LSU sits with 22 total commits-ranked 12th
5 Stars-1
4 Stars-11
3 Stars-10
Is it the number of 3 stars, or lack there of, that has the gumps ranked 7 spots ahead of us?? FWIW, I ulitzed Bama as a comparison only because of the similar numbers in 4 and 5 stars.
5 Stars-1
4 Stars-12
3 Stars-5
LSU sits with 22 total commits-ranked 12th
5 Stars-1
4 Stars-11
3 Stars-10
Is it the number of 3 stars, or lack there of, that has the gumps ranked 7 spots ahead of us?? FWIW, I ulitzed Bama as a comparison only because of the similar numbers in 4 and 5 stars.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:30 am to FulshearTexasTiger
It's the decimal numbers they create to justify their bias. I thought they were the most non-bias until they, I think, they took over Scout and must have obtained Scout's love of their favorite teams.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:32 am to FulshearTexasTiger
It's the higher average right now. It doesn't really matter though. We have all learned by now that rating services will do whatever is necessary to ensure that Bama finishes with a top rated class. They will bump a couple to 5-stars and drop other teams' prospects just enough to boost them to top 3 regardless of who they add to the 18 they already have.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:55 am to FulshearTexasTiger
It's the formula they use to calculate the value per recruit that determines the team's overall ranking.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:13 pm to TNTigerman
Love your precise calculation.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:17 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
It’s bama...
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:17 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
Quit looking at stars and start looking at the actual rating. There is a huge difference between a high 4 star and a low 4 star.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:19 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:
There is a huge difference between a high 4 star and a low 4 star.
This.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:20 pm to jcole4lsu
Thanks for the responses.....didn't realize how broad of a range there was in the "numerical rating". Makes sense now.
How 247Sports evaluates ...
Each recruit we evaluate is assigned a numerical rating as well as a star rating. Ratings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation, and input from our network of scouts.
Players are first grouped qualitatively with a star rating, then given a numerical rating based on their future potential, and finally ranked according to these numerical ratings.
110 - 101 = Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has "can’t miss" talent.
100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation. This player has excellent pro-potential and should emerge as one of the best in the country before the end of his career. There will be 32 prospects ranked in this range in every football class to mirror the first round of the NFL Draft.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who is projected to play professionally.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.
79 - below = Two-star prospect. This player makes up the bulk of Division I rosters. He may have little pro-potential, but is likely to become a role player for his respective school.
How 247Sports evaluates ...
Each recruit we evaluate is assigned a numerical rating as well as a star rating. Ratings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation, and input from our network of scouts.
Players are first grouped qualitatively with a star rating, then given a numerical rating based on their future potential, and finally ranked according to these numerical ratings.
110 - 101 = Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has "can’t miss" talent.
100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation. This player has excellent pro-potential and should emerge as one of the best in the country before the end of his career. There will be 32 prospects ranked in this range in every football class to mirror the first round of the NFL Draft.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who is projected to play professionally.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.
79 - below = Two-star prospect. This player makes up the bulk of Division I rosters. He may have little pro-potential, but is likely to become a role player for his respective school.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:55 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
The points are based on overall individual rank, not stars. A 4 star that's #34 overall generates a much higher score than a 4 star ranked #250 overall. Same goes for 3 and 5 stars.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:02 pm to Blanky6715
quote:
The points are based on overall individual rank, not stars. A 4 star that's #34 overall generates a much higher score than a 4 star ranked #250 overall. Same goes for 3 and 5 stars.
Thanks! I follow recruiting somewhat, but didn't realize the broad range within each "star" level.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:46 pm to LSU Patrick
Respectfully disagree that the rating services favor 'Bama. The results speak for themselves. UA's performance over the last few years makes it clear they have, in fact, recruited the best players/classes year after year.
Now, if they were signing highly rated classes that didn't produce on the field, then I might go along. But the fact is, UA's recruiting classes have justified their rankings. I know, I hate it too.
Now, if they were signing highly rated classes that didn't produce on the field, then I might go along. But the fact is, UA's recruiting classes have justified their rankings. I know, I hate it too.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:48 pm to LSU Patrick
Earlier in the year there was 2 teams with the same number of recruits, same number of (stars) one was ranked higher with a lower total %.
There has to be another factor involved.
There has to be another factor involved.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 1:32 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:Well, considering they are raping the college football world (won 5 of the last 9 national titles)it seems smart of the recruiting services to assume the players the sign are better, thus bumping their rating up
It's the higher average right now. It doesn't really matter though. We have all learned by now that rating services will do whatever is necessary to ensure that Bama finishes with a top rated class. They will bump a couple to 5-stars and drop other teams' prospects just enough to boost them to top 3 regardless of who they add to the 18 they already have.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:20 pm to tilthatday
quote:
Respectfully disagree that the rating services favor 'Bama. The results speak for themselves. UA's performance over the last few years makes it clear they have, in fact, recruited the best players/classes year after year.
Now, if they were signing highly rated classes that didn't produce on the field, then I might go along. But the fact is, UA's recruiting classes have justified their rankings. I know, I hate it too.
Top 5 every year is one thing, but there is most definitely a bias involved with them having the #1 class every year. Something like #2, #1, #3, #2, #4, #2 is more feasible and more than good enough to explain their success.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:25 pm to LSU Patrick
75% of college football is recruiting, and Saban is the best recruiter of all time - Lane Kiffin
Bama's 2017 #1 class had a ton of players contribute this year:
Leatherwood
Harris
Tua
Moses
Jeudy
Ruggs
Devonta
Just off the top of my head
Bama's 2017 #1 class had a ton of players contribute this year:
Leatherwood
Harris
Tua
Moses
Jeudy
Ruggs
Devonta
Just off the top of my head
Posted on 1/9/18 at 7:50 pm to jcole4lsu
Well tbh LSUs class was just as good in different areas. 2018 is competitive with them and 2019 LSU could and should pass them up or be right there with them again. LSU is not going to compete every year guy for guy with a team that wins a ship every other year.
Until we beat them or start playing for that playoff every year our recruiting won't be exactly on par with them. Clemson proved that it doesn't have to be if you have smart WRs, QBs, an OL that can block and a front seven. LSU is on its way to competing and beating them if we can bring the QBs along with the WRs and keep the OL strong. If Aranda can keep recruiting LBers and O can keep stock piling the DL then we will be in a good spot.
Until we beat them or start playing for that playoff every year our recruiting won't be exactly on par with them. Clemson proved that it doesn't have to be if you have smart WRs, QBs, an OL that can block and a front seven. LSU is on its way to competing and beating them if we can bring the QBs along with the WRs and keep the OL strong. If Aranda can keep recruiting LBers and O can keep stock piling the DL then we will be in a good spot.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 7:56 pm to BayouBengal99
There is no perfect rating system, but I think the 247 guys are pretty good. It's just too difficult to do with extreme accuracy.
One aspect I always laughed at was this.
You could have 2 teams with the exact 20 players (same ratings and overall score).
Then add a 3 star kicker or 2 star long snapper, and they fall behind the other team in the rankings. I mean how could a team that added a quality special teams player be a worse class??
One aspect I always laughed at was this.
You could have 2 teams with the exact 20 players (same ratings and overall score).
Then add a 3 star kicker or 2 star long snapper, and they fall behind the other team in the rankings. I mean how could a team that added a quality special teams player be a worse class??
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:48 am to FulshearTexasTiger
We may have eleven 4 stars but only three are in the top 247. Our 4-11 should not be worth as much as say, top 100 players, of whom ~70 are also 4 stars.
It wasn’t too long ago they awarded around 300 or less 4 stars, now it’s almost 400. Doesn’t mean what it used to
It wasn’t too long ago they awarded around 300 or less 4 stars, now it’s almost 400. Doesn’t mean what it used to
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 1:56 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 2:55 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
4 stars come in three tiers.
6.0. 5.9 and 5.8
3 stars come in three tiers.
5.7 5.6. 5.5
Right now Lsu has only one top tier 4 star.
6.0. 5.9 and 5.8
3 stars come in three tiers.
5.7 5.6. 5.5
Right now Lsu has only one top tier 4 star.
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