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tubucoco
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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What's been the difference?
That a trick question? Lol You know the answer to that is obvious - Coaching
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Sev09
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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False, we're 14th now on 247


What are you even doing on the recruiting board if you don’t follow recruiting?


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Maximus
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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And I'll ask you the same thing I asked BiLJ, where did anyone credible ever say Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles as far as class rankings go?


What was O's selling point then if not recruiting? I get it you love orgeron because he knows how to peel shrimp but he's barely cracking the top ten this year in his first full class which is pretty shitty.


BilJ
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
is he really trying to argue the selling point of O was not recruiting?


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cas4t
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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False, we're 14th now on 247



it's December


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whitefoot
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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What was O's selling point then if not recruiting?

My point is setting arbitrary goals for class rankings as a determination of recruiting ability is dumb and that nobody other than Saban recruited at a higher level than Miles over his last 4 classes. I never heard anyone say that recruiting rankings would go up with Orgeron. I mean, maybe there are some dipshit, blind CheeriO's on the rant that did, but I didn't ever hear anyone credible say this. I heard that there shouldn't be much, if any, of a drop off in recruiting with Orgeron.

The jury is obviously still out, but you guys are setting unrealistic expectations based on fallible ranking services. There simply isn't the exact correlation between recruiting rankings and team success as you guys want there to be.

Since 2010, LSU's average class ranking is the fourth best in the country, but our average final AP ranking is over 14. USC's been the 5th best in recruiting rankings over that same time span and have also averaged 14th in the final rankings. Georgia has finished with the 7th best recruiting ranking and their average finish in the AP is 24. Texas has averaged a top 10 recruiting class and their average end of year ranking is 50.

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I get it you love orgeron

I don't love him or hate him. I'm reserving judgment. His recruiting strategy seems different from Miles, but it's possible that it's just they way this particular year setup, or it's possible that it's a completely different tact. Either way, you can't make a final determination of the class' quality based on 247 composite rankings, and anyone who claims they can has a different agenda.


Tiger Ree
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Houston
Member since Jun 2004
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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The administration bought this BS lie by O that he was going to put together this incredible recruiting staff and that LSU was gonna have amazing classes year in and year out. That was a flat out lie to get him the job.


Get back to the Rant you lying troll.

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This 2018 class is garbage and has been put together poorly


thanks for proving my point.

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O took way to many fringe/project type players that wont have us competing for championships


Thanks again

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A loss to Troy and a recruiting class that is very mediocre as it stands with no promises.


This is Rant shite. get it off the recruiting board idiot.

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Ed O lovers can down vote me if they want but its the damn truth.


They probably won't even bother since they know you are a troll and don't belong on this board.


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Tiger Ree
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Houston
Member since Jun 2004
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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True or false?


Tough question. I don't think Eaux will take a high number of highly ranked players at one position just to do good in recruiting rankings.

I think we will see more balanced classes from now on. A team needs depth at EVERY position and I think Coach Eaux fully realizes this. Especially after the damn field and extra point kickers this year.


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Tiger Ree
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Houston
Member since Jun 2004
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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I never heard anyone say that recruiting rankings would go up with Orgeron


The Rantards make stuff up to back up their bashing of the coach. Even when they don't have a clue what the heck they are talking about, which is the majority of the time..
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TDcline
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
Coaching ability is undoubtedly a factor to a degree, for sure.

However, Alabama has had the last what is it now, 8? 9? #1 recruiting classes and they’re head and shoulders above the rest of the nation in on-the-field-success. Conversely, bottom tier recruiting teams like Idaho and UTEP aren’t exactly playing for titles.

I appreciate the work you put into your post, and I mean no disrespect but it reads like a carefully disguised moving-of-the-goal-posts as far as expectations for Orgeron and recruiting go. I don’t want to hear that there’s no difference between the #1 and #10 class, that’s just false.

O was hired to recruit. He needs to bring recruits to BR. Plain and simple.
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LSU GrandDad
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houston, texas
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our ranking will be more tied to in state rankings now, since we are going to really have to take more if our own, with jimbo at a&m now... Texas recruits will be harder to come by, and we usually get a good bump bc of the guys we get from there


one year ago we didn't sign a single recruit from texas. our 3 main states (outside of La.) have been florida, texas and Georgia. unfortunately, all three states have better recruiters now than before. this kind of stuff happens all the time and it does affect recruiting. and, every time La. has a banner crop of guys, the other big programs siphon off more. in order to compete for championships, LSU has to win recruiting battles in those 4 states regardless of who we are competing against. no matter what, some La guys are going OOS; it's normal. I also think we have to continue to expand our recruiting regions and push more in Ms, Alabama, Tennessee (have done so lately) and the Carolinas with the occasional player from the Midwest.


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1999
Troy Fan
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Member since Oct 2009
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
His main selling point was that he would do nothing. Alleva wanted a coach with the least amount of responsibility in college football.


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Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
Judge a class 2-3 years from signing day


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Tiger Ree
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
11122 posts

re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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However, Alabama has had the last what is it now, 8? 9? #1 recruiting classes and they’re head and shoulders above the rest of the nation in on-the-field-success. Conversely, bottom tier recruiting teams like Idaho and UTEP aren’t exactly playing for titles


Yeah, the Alabama, Idaho and UTEP stuff doesn't work for the defending national champions who are in the playoffs again this year.

Clemson:

2011 finished 10th in recruiting rankings.

2012 finished 20th in recruiting rankings.

2013 finished 15th in recruiting rankings.

2014 finished 16th in recruiting rankings.

2015 finished 9th in recruiting rankings.

2016 finished 11th in recruiting rankings.
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TDcline
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
Clemson plays in an extremely weak and overrated ACC. They lost to Syracuse.

Clemson would be middle-of-the-Road SEC team.

By those rankings, they still ‘out-talent’ almost every team in their conference save Florida State who lost their starting QB early on and started a 110 pound kid for the rest of the season.

Yes, Clemson did bear Alabama in the title game last year (and I’m damn glad for it) but Alabama (like any SEC team) plays 4 opponents per year that could win any other conference. That kind of beating takes a toll on a team. Clemson had 1, maybe 2 big games to win a year, that’s different than 5-6 big games the winnner of the SEC has to go through.

Bottom line is that #10 recruiting classes and thin lines aren’t going to get it done in the SEC.
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Section225
Houston Astros Fan
Member since Jun 2011
3357 posts

re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
Tiger Ree you are honestly ignorant when it comes to the progression of a football program with the upward and downward slope of talent coming in and out. There is no use arguing with someone who is happy with mediocrity.

Please keep making excuses for your idol Ed Orgeron you only help further my point.


TchPowDog
LSU Fan
Zachary, LA
Member since Sep 2015
1268 posts

re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
Not with his 3-star philosophy. Look at our ranking right now. We only have a few more spots to fill and we're, what, 15th-ish?

There are a lot of schools behind us who have more holes to fill than us.

Having said this, if we get Surtain and Marshall, we should be ok this year but even with those two kids, top 10 will be hard to get, imo. just too many 3-stars in the class.


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Tiger Ree
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
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Clemson plays in an extremely weak and overrated ACC. They lost to Syracuse.


They beat Alabama for the title last season. Bama's only loss of the year.

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Clemson would be middle-of-the-Road SEC team.


They won the national championship by beating Ohio State and Alabama in the playoffs. Middle of the pack SEC team?????

Oh and they lost to Pitt last year.

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Yes, Clemson did bear Alabama in the title game last year / Clemson had 1, maybe 2 big games to win a year


Clemson beat three SEC teams last season. bama, Auburn and South Carolina. This year they have played two so far. Want to guess what their record against the SEC is the last two years - including the two SEC West champions last year and this one?

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Bottom line is that #10 recruiting classes and thin lines aren’t going to get it done in the SEC.


You want to go over the Clemson thing again???


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Tiger Ree
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
11122 posts

re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
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Please keep making excuses for your idol Ed Orgeron you only help further my point


You keep making up bull shite and lies and I will continue to use fact to excuse your idiocy.


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Troy Fan
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
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re: O will consistently get top 10 recruiting classes
This is some ignorant shite right here (the Clemson part). I agree O needs to step up his recruiting.
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