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re: No more LHSAA split
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:12 am to tigamike
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:12 am to tigamike
quote:Yeah, that's so similar...
LSU lost to Kentucky and Arkansas in 2007 and only played one game in the "playoffs"!! Legit?!?
Catholic needs to stfu and just enjoy their first and last watered down State Championship and thank God they got Rummel the week after they played Curtis.
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:16 am to boxcar willie
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Well that would be one way to even it back out somewhat is if private schools couldn't offer athletes scholarships or reduced tuition or financial aid and if public schools would have open borders then I could see not having a split. Anything short of that you need to have a split championship.
Wait...even what out? So private schools shouldn't be allowed to offer free tuition to an athlete, but a public school can offer free tuition to EVERY athlete? I'm not following you. Private schools fall under the same regulations for eligibility as do public schools. ALL schools recruit. None are supposed to. Enforce the rules, but don't pretend this is simply a private school issue.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:24 am to Carville
Lol! I love the haters!
My point was that just because they lost a few games doesn't diminish what they earned in the end no more than it did for LSU in that 2007 season.
Come over here and tell my son that his team didn't earn that ring!
I hate the split and hope it's over but for people to come here and bash what all the teams that won state titles under the rules they had to play by these past few years is just ignorant and petty!
But keep on hating!
My point was that just because they lost a few games doesn't diminish what they earned in the end no more than it did for LSU in that 2007 season.
Come over here and tell my son that his team didn't earn that ring!
I hate the split and hope it's over but for people to come here and bash what all the teams that won state titles under the rules they had to play by these past few years is just ignorant and petty!
But keep on hating!
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:36 am to Fratigerguy
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Wait...even what out? So private schools shouldn't be allowed to offer free tuition to an athlete, but a public school can offer free tuition to EVERY athlete?
if you can't see the difference and how that affects the quality of the football teams I don't know what to tell you.
OK then, offer that same scholarship to every non athlete as well and see how it works out for them. There is a reason people pay big money to send their kids to private schools. If you think that scholarship has no value then why do you think other parents pay for there kids to go there?
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:42 am to PrideofTheSEC
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yes it sucked, my sophomore year in high school in 2A we beat everyone by 21+ and we weres 12-0 heading into game vs John Curtis. Lost something like 34-16..... JC vs Evangel played in the title that year and JC beat them by 40. If it wasn't for those two schools we could've actually had a real shot at winning it all.
exactly, it's just not right. These public school kids should have the same chance to play in a state championship game as the private school kids do. Go back to the way it was and these public schools have very little shot to no shot at ever winning a state title.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:01 am to tigamike
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Catholic beat Brother Martin / Evangel / and nationally ranked Rummel to win the state title. They hit their stride at the right time. Can't diminish what they did when it mattered. And the second half of Brother Martin game and the entire Evangel game they were without their best player in Edwards-Helaire.
LSU lost to Kentucky and Arkansas in 2007 and only played one game in the "playoffs"!! Legit?!?
Not taking away from that. But you cant question that fact that they did it in a year they where they weren't at risk of
- Having to face The 5A state champs Zachary,
-who only gave up an average of 14 throughout the playoffs,
-and beat everyone in the playoffs by 21, and who beat Catholic
- No risk of a Rematch against a dutchtown (who beat them)
- Catholic played on 3 game in playoffs including the Championship
-LINK
In a regular year, Catholic might have had to play these teams again. Noone is going to assume that because Catholic beat Rummel that they would have won these games. The blow out against dtown was very late in the year to be getting blown out. Great game in overtime vs Evangel. But Brother Martin couldnt stop anybody all year, plus Catholic played a tight game against them last year (just a good rivarly game).
The game vs Rummel could mean that they "Hit their Stride", or that Rummel was overrated and the national ranking isnt worth a SHITE. Congrats to Catholic. Happy for Coach Weiner. But the this type discussion leads me to saying ALL OF THIS STUFF GETS ANSWERED IN THE OLD SYSTEM.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:07 am to tigamike
quote:
Lol! I love the haters!
My point was that just because they lost a few games doesn't diminish what they earned in the end no more than it did for LSU in that 2007 season.
Come over here and tell my son that his team didn't earn that ring!
I hate the split and hope it's over but for people to come here and bash what all the teams that won state titles under the rules they had to play by these past few years is just ignorant and petty!
But keep on hating!
TIGAMIKE
We love Baton Rouge Football and Catholic. Catholic and your son had a great Journey and accomplished an awesome feat. But no one should be getting on this board talking about "We were legit". The system is not set up for anyone to say that validly. GEAUX EBRFOOTBALL
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:24 am to luvlsufootball
That argument makes no sense because you act as if it was Catholic/Private schools that wanted the split when the opposite is true.
Public schools bitched and passed the split, now they bitch the private championships aren't "legit"? Laughable.
Public schools bitched and passed the split, now they bitch the private championships aren't "legit"? Laughable.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:32 am to Carville
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Catholic needs to stfu and just enjoy their first and last watered down State Championship
This goes both ways Kinder would have lost to Notre Dame by 30 in 2a if no select/non-select.
ETA Let us all not forget that the real reason we're here is because no non-selects, big or small, wanted to play JC or Evangel in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:51 am to boxcar willie
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There is a reason people pay big money to send their kids to private schools.
Yup. And very little to nothing of it has to do with athletics. That's a problem with the public school system. Fix that shite before you complain that the private school education system is better.
Here's the deal and my point. People are complaining that private schools can give kids free tuition to come play football. I get it. What people who aren't in private schools don't see is there is also a ton of other shite...fundraisers, other fees, required hours by parents...that you don't have to do in public schools.
So people are complaining that X school can tell a family "come play with us and you'll get to go to school here for free". That is the exact same pitch that every public school can use, in addition to being able to tell the parents, "and you don't have to do shite but show up to the games". ENFORCE THE RULES, and none of this is an issue.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:53 am to luvlsufootball
I'm on record saying I hate the split but it is what it is and its f'd up that grown men try to downplay these kids accomplishments regardless of how they got there.
Zachary had a great year and earned their title as well but the same argument you make against Catholic's title can be made for ZHS... they were not at risk of having to play teams like JC / Rummel / Evangel / Brother Martin / or even Catholic in a rematch on their way to the dome!
How about you give all the kids credit who won titles under the rules they had to play under instead of trying to pick holes and come up with "what ifs"
I can pick holes in Zachary's playoff competition if you want me to as well but I'm not. They beat who was in front of them just like all title winners
Zachary had a great year and earned their title as well but the same argument you make against Catholic's title can be made for ZHS... they were not at risk of having to play teams like JC / Rummel / Evangel / Brother Martin / or even Catholic in a rematch on their way to the dome!
How about you give all the kids credit who won titles under the rules they had to play under instead of trying to pick holes and come up with "what ifs"
I can pick holes in Zachary's playoff competition if you want me to as well but I'm not. They beat who was in front of them just like all title winners
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:59 am to luvlsufootball
I wasn't here claiming "we're legit".
I was just defending against the ones saying it wasn't!
Their title is just as legit as any teams was these past few years under the split. The teams can only play against who the LHSAA said they could play against and they all did what it took to bring home the hardware. You can't pick and choose who had a "legit title".
I was just defending against the ones saying it wasn't!
Their title is just as legit as any teams was these past few years under the split. The teams can only play against who the LHSAA said they could play against and they all did what it took to bring home the hardware. You can't pick and choose who had a "legit title".
Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:25 am to Fratigerguy
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So people are complaining that X school can tell a family "come play with us and you'll get to go to school here for free". That is the exact same pitch that every public school can use
that makes no sense. Everyone can go to public schools for free but very few can go to private schools for free. If private schools were free for everyone, even non football stars, then I could see your point. They go to a private school because they get to play for a football factory and get a 30k-100k value for free.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:33 am to tigamike
TIGAMIKE-
I agree
I agree
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:28 am to prepsportsallday
They are all legit titles. Maybe they could tweak it some way to make less titles if that is what they are complaining about but no way they should go back to the way it was. Lot of regular public school kids played their asses off only to go against these football factory schools where they had no chance even before the game started.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 12:19 pm to TutHillTiger
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Parkview won it both ways and show me where they recruit, and that bull shite about public schools not recruiting in complete bull shite. Hell i was recruited by a rival public school in baton Rouge when I was 12.
Lol Parkview definitely recruits. Look at the Son's from late 90's.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 12:27 pm to tigamike
quote:yeah you can if you believe there should only be 5...
You can't pick and choose who had a "legit title".
Posted on 1/16/16 at 1:08 pm to chalmetteowl
Only based on bias! All those teams played in the system that was in effect. How you gonna say which ones deserve it more than others when none of them got the opportunity to play each other in the playoffs? That's just an ignorant statement. I don't like the split but I respect the accomplishments of the ones that won under it! What else were they supposed to do?
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:49 am to LSU316
public schools may pick up one or two players. Private may have over half the team recruits. It is not nor will it ever be fair. If this happens let the public schools go to texas and etc and recruit.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 8:47 am to hill durham
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public schools may pick up one or two players.
Hah...Acadiana says hi.
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Private may have over half the team recruits.
Hah...ND says hi.
You see there are exceptions on both sides.
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It is not nor will it ever be fair.
You from Winnsboro baw?
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If this happens let the public schools go to texas and etc and recruit.
If you think this doesn't happen already then you are crazy. After Katrina it was like the wild west baw.
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