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re: Nice article about Matt Derenbecker from Times-Pic
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:54 pm to supatigah
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:54 pm to supatigah
Not doubting anything you say, but I just remember Carroll being thinner and more of a wing and Harold being bulkier. I don't recall Harold being an outside threat at all. I recall him being a power forward at 6-8, not a tweener.
I just looked it up, and as a junior Harold was listed at 6-9, 242. Definitely not a tweener. Carroll was listed at 6-9, 205 at USL.
I just looked it up, and as a junior Harold was listed at 6-9, 242. Definitely not a tweener. Carroll was listed at 6-9, 205 at USL.
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Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:08 pm to Bubba Hotep
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Not doubting anything you say, but I just remember Carroll being thinner and more of a wing and Harold being bulkier. I don't recall Harold being an outside threat at all. I recall him being a power forward at 6-8, not a tweener.
no Harold was a perimeter player, he rarely went under the basket at all in HS unless he was driving to the basket. At LSU he tried to bulk up to play around the basket but he just didn't have it. He didn't rebound well enough for his size and he wasn't a good enough shooter for the wing.
Carroll was always under the goal, he couldn't dribble worth a damn
they were both about 6'8 190lbs in HS, but Carroll was a better two foot jumper. Harold was a little more passive, Carroll was more aggressive
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I just looked it up, and as a junior Harold was listed at 6-9, 242
he was 22-23yr/old as a junior at LSU. Remember he sat for a year and got bigger in the arse
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Carroll was listed at 6-9, 205 at USL.
this is a bit of a joke, Carroll went in a round about way before he finally ended up at USL for the 91/92/93 season. He finished HS in spring 88 and didn't get to USL until 91. When he was at USL everybody laughed at him because he got fat. 205 was probably more like 255.
where did you find the height and weight for harold and carroll?
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:49 pm to supatigah
For Harold, the all-time LSU rosters are available at LSUsports.net under the basketball section. For Carroll, I just googled his name and Louisiana-Lafayette and found a list of their former players playing overseas. The document was from the mid-90s, so you can take that one with a grain of salt.
Posted on 3/12/10 at 7:29 am to Bubba Hotep
I saw Derenbecker last night and am surprised to learn that he'll be playing in the SEC. When I saw him at the Top 28 last year, and heard the coaches talking about all the schools that were after him, I honestly thought they were blowing smoke.
He was the biggest kid on the court. But, 6'6" seems like a serious stretch. There's no doubt he's a good HS player, but I don't think he's good enough to take minutes away from anybody in LSU's lineup next year...let alone any other school in the conference. I left the dome wishing we could somehow trade him for Markel Brown.
Here's a couple pics of him...
He was the biggest kid on the court. But, 6'6" seems like a serious stretch. There's no doubt he's a good HS player, but I don't think he's good enough to take minutes away from anybody in LSU's lineup next year...let alone any other school in the conference. I left the dome wishing we could somehow trade him for Markel Brown.
Here's a couple pics of him...
Posted on 3/12/10 at 1:19 pm to lsuconnman
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but I don't think he's good enough to take minutes away from anybody in LSU's lineup next year.
we are fricked then
btw
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Derenbecker had 29 points, 12 rebounds, blocked five shots and three steals to pace the reigning state champions to a 23rd consecutive victory
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"Matt Derenbecker is everything they say he is, '' Arcadia Coach Shane Lee said. "He's a man. LSU is getting a good one. But I'm proud of my guys. They never gave up. We got down big, but came back. We really couldn't play our style when we got in foul trouble. A lot of the turnovers we had came when we had inexperienced kids in there. Credit their defense. They play good, clean defense and don't grab, I guess.''
"I've said this all week, Matt is the best player in the state and one of the best players in the country, '' McGuire said. "But our role players really understand what to do. You can't win a state championship with just one player."
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Posted on 3/12/10 at 1:42 pm to Lester Earl
Those numbers were deceiving. I grabbed the stat sheet at the end of the 3rd and he had 20 pts...was 0-5 from three, and had 10pts at the line. When you're 6'6" and half the opposing team is under 5'9" you'd better have 5 blocks.
Consequently, watching Green glide down the court and slam an alley oop on the first possession caught my attention. Watching the kid play PG at 6'4" was a pleasure. He was also playing against a fellow OSU signee who's taller and also had a couple equally athletic teammates...and he could've dropped 40 on them if he wished.
The level of play between the two games was like watching the varsity game after a JV match.
Consequently, watching Green glide down the court and slam an alley oop on the first possession caught my attention. Watching the kid play PG at 6'4" was a pleasure. He was also playing against a fellow OSU signee who's taller and also had a couple equally athletic teammates...and he could've dropped 40 on them if he wished.
The level of play between the two games was like watching the varsity game after a JV match.
Posted on 3/12/10 at 1:56 pm to lsuconnman
The future may prove you to be right, but as of now, virtually every scout and college coach (including Trent Johnson) ranks Derenbecker above Williams and Brown.
Also, when Country Day and Glen Oaks played earlier in the year, Country Day won and Derenbecker dominated Brian Williams.
Also, when Country Day and Glen Oaks played earlier in the year, Country Day won and Derenbecker dominated Brian Williams.
Posted on 3/12/10 at 1:59 pm to Bubba Hotep
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Also, when Country Day and Glen Oaks played earlier in the year, Country Day won and Derenbecker dominated Brian Williams.
boom. That he can put up 29 points going 0-5 from the 3 pt line shows that he can score even when his shot is not falling. Plus when he plays with 4 college players instead of 4 kids from Country Day, his skills will be more pronounced.
Posted on 3/12/10 at 2:21 pm to lsuconnman
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Those numbers were deceiving. I grabbed the stat sheet at the end of the 3rd and he had 20 pts...was 0-5 from three, and had 10pts at the line
what is so deceiving about that?
Posted on 3/12/10 at 2:47 pm to Lester Earl
"Deceiving" may be the wrong word, Opportunistic may be better. Like I said, he's good HS player, hell he's an amazing HS player in relation to his peers. But his numbers struck me as a many good role players often do...you watch a team for an entire season, then you look at the stat sheets, and you notice there's a guy who's averaging a double double, and realize you don't even know what his first name is.
Travis Knight and Jake Voskuhl at UConn immediately come to mind. When they graduated everyone was shocked they made an NBA roster...and continued to be surprised that they continued to year after year. When they finally hit their stride, they did it in the shadows of All Americans and future NBA all stars. But they didn't show up in Storrs with people expecting them to start as freshmen, let alone right the ship.
Obviously these things have a way of working themselves out...But, this one feels like Ross Neltner (sp) replaying itself...but without Brandon Bass, Big Baby, Tyrus Thomas, or Jaime lloreda (?).
Travis Knight and Jake Voskuhl at UConn immediately come to mind. When they graduated everyone was shocked they made an NBA roster...and continued to be surprised that they continued to year after year. When they finally hit their stride, they did it in the shadows of All Americans and future NBA all stars. But they didn't show up in Storrs with people expecting them to start as freshmen, let alone right the ship.
Obviously these things have a way of working themselves out...But, this one feels like Ross Neltner (sp) replaying itself...but without Brandon Bass, Big Baby, Tyrus Thomas, or Jaime lloreda (?).
Posted on 3/12/10 at 3:00 pm to Lester Earl
To some, if you are not jumping over people and/or making 5 of 6 3s you are not impressive. You can tell by the pics he posted what is most important to him. Stats are misleading, but WOW that leaping ability.
Posted on 3/12/10 at 3:37 pm to Lsuismyfav
C'mon seriously? This season alone I've watched more than 2 dozen college teams first hand, let alone countless high school squads, etc.
Because I chose those six photos (of the 5,000+ I took) to exhibit freakish athleticism of a guy who averaged 30+/gm on a team that's 40-0....but yet is only a 3* recruit jumping to the Big XII, I'm disconnected from reality?
Posted on 3/12/10 at 4:31 pm to lsuconnman
I never said that, I'm saying that just because they maybe more athletic doesn't mean they will be more successful at the next level. Your pics and your posts show you put more value on athletic ability then a lot of coaches. As a fan that’s great, but coaches are impressed by more than that.
What does him scoring 40 ppg have to do with this? Remember stats can be misleading.
What does him scoring 40 ppg have to do with this? Remember stats can be misleading.
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