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re: Moussa Cisse crystal Ball pick to LSU
Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:52 am to tigahlovah
Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:52 am to tigahlovah
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Alt, I'm sure the coaches know how to handle a situation like cooper's. You kind of nudge him out the door, maybe call around the state to a smaller school that could use him etc..
No question that's what they would do. And look, Wade would be justified in doing it. No coach is going to keep his job if he loses with inferior talent just because he was a "nice guy" to keep such players on the roster to the exclusion of better players. The only downside I see is that recruiting is such a cutthroat business and you KNOW if Wade starts kicking guys to the curb after one year the other coaches are going to use that against him. Plus, while signing big time talent is necessary, if it requires you to kick 4 year talent to the curb year after year to do it, you're going to get put in a spot where you HAVE to almost completely turn over your roster year after year because those great players only stick around for one season. To be fair, UK, Duke and to a lesser extent, Kansas and UNC do that and have (most years) tremendous success.
Not to disparage the kid, but it would make sense for BOTH the program and a guy like Cooper to transfer elsewhere because there would be so much frontcourt talent ahead of him the minutes available might be minimal, if not non existent. You could maybe say the same for Bishop, but Wade spoke glowingly about him over the summer. Plus, without him you are leaving your PG duties completely to true freshman. Hyatt it would seem would still have a spot to grow. Yes, his struggles from 3 have been disappointing for a guy touted as a sharp-shooter, but he's quietly been one of the better defenders on a team that has very few. Plus, it's not uncommon for a guy to get better as he gains more experience. Point being, I don't know if I'd give up on Hyatt and Bishop just yet
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Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:57 am to CP3forMVP
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but right now
I said right now? If Cisse comes to LSU, they'll have both played 1 season at LSU. I'm clearly comparing his one year at LSU.
Also, I'm in no way saying that Cisse at 16 playing 1v1 against KBW is in favor of Cisse, but sometimes age doesn't matter. Lebron at 16 could whip many guys in the G League's arse.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:59 am to bugafor6
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The things you describe KBW doing is the same things Cisse does.
I know that. That's part of my point. KBW's ceiling was what he did at LSU. 8ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg. He played nearly as well as he could. That is Cisse's FLOOR. That's what people don't understand
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:11 pm to LSUButt
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I said right now? If Cisse comes to LSU, they'll have both played 1 season at LSU. I'm clearly comparing his one year at LSU.
When you say "he's twice the basketball player KBW is or was" you aren't referring to 5 years down the line.
KBW in his one season was 13th in the entire SEC in plus minus, 4th in defensive plus minus, 3rd in total rebound percentage, and 1st in block percentage. It's embarrassing how many people don't realize how good he was and how important he was for that team last season.
You bring up box score points per game stats like they show how good a player really is. Points per game stats are for amateurs.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:28 pm to LSUButt
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He simply added length. 7.9ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.9 bpg while averaging 21 minutes.
Let’s forget the semantics and put it this way. What kind of output do expect from Cisse?
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:39 pm to KingofthePoint
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Let’s forget the semantics and put it this way. What kind of output do expect from Cisse?
Considering the roster turnover it's impossible to say right now what a lot of guys could do next year. I will say if we turn this roster over like expected it should go a very comfortable 10-11 deep so really no one is having to play 35 minutes a night. For a large part of this season we were only 7 deep when Manning or Taylor was out and sometimes only 6 deep when Wade wasn't feeling Hyatt either.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:40 pm to KingofthePoint
Well he’s nearly averaging a triple double in HS. I thought I read somewhere he was like 19ppg 12rb 9.5blocks, so I’d say he will probably exceed KBW.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:45 pm to KingofthePoint
Actually I found the article it’s 19.7ppg 15.3rbs and 9.2 blocks
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:50 pm to PPeterson1
Next year though? Based on his highlights and scouting report (which sounds like a description of Kavell), I’m not sure he’s ready to exceed KBW just yet. He’d likely only be here 1 year. Not sure there’s any point in comparing them beyond that.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:50 pm to LSUButt
That was with him only playing 20 mpg. Wade said himself he didn’t play him enough. If he was a year younger, playing thus season he would be playing at least 30 mpg and averaging a double double with more than 2 bpg. That’s a great season and if Cisse is better than that then I will be more than happy to say you are right, I just don’t see it.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:54 pm to KingofthePoint
He’s a bigger guy, better scorer, and better shot blocker than KBW. He won’t have that HS stat line but I definitely could see him at 12-14ppg 8rbs and 5-6blocks.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 1:11 pm to PPeterson1
He’s actually not as big, KBW is listed at 250 lbs and an inch taller, but he’s probably a good bit more explosive. Neither have any offensive skill, but Cisse will probably be a better shot blocker. Here’s a scouting report describing how his projection is based of athletic traits and his motor.
“ Has a slender build with a long wingspan. Plays with energy and chip on his shoulder. Is a mobile athlete who will chase down the ball. Quality finisher around the rim. Is a tremendous rebounder. Limited in his offensive skill set at this point. Tough defender who is a top level shot blocker. First rounder on length, athleticism and energy. Must develop offensive skills to be an impact NBA player.”
Here’s a video of KBW hitting step back 3s and dunking all over people in JUCO when he is clearly playing against inferior athletes. LINK
“ Has a slender build with a long wingspan. Plays with energy and chip on his shoulder. Is a mobile athlete who will chase down the ball. Quality finisher around the rim. Is a tremendous rebounder. Limited in his offensive skill set at this point. Tough defender who is a top level shot blocker. First rounder on length, athleticism and energy. Must develop offensive skills to be an impact NBA player.”
Here’s a video of KBW hitting step back 3s and dunking all over people in JUCO when he is clearly playing against inferior athletes. LINK
Posted on 3/11/20 at 1:40 pm to PPeterson1
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5-6blocks.
Bruh, aint nobody blocking 5-6 shots a game in major college basketball
I dont care if he played 35 minutes a game, wouldn't happen
Both Jarvis Varnado and Anthony Davis were under 5 blocks per game and those are some of the best shot blockers in college basketball history that come from recent memory.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 1:48 pm to thunderbird1100
What was Mickey at? 3?
Posted on 3/11/20 at 1:49 pm to jimbeam
Jordan Mickey was at 3.1 blocks per game in 2013-14 in 33 minutes per game and at 3.4 blocks per game in 2014-15 in 35 minutes per game
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:26 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:LOL! Yeah I guess I went a little overboard. I could see Mickey type average though.
Bruh, aint nobody blocking 5-6 shots a game in major college basketball
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:29 pm to thunderbird1100
If Cisse played 21.2 mpg, I would expect a stat line around 9ppg, 8rpg, 2.5bpg. There will be games against the bad small schools where he gets 6-7, and games in the SEC he gets 0.
The guy is EXPLOSIVE. Athletically he's way beyond KBW. I don't understand how we are arguing this. The guy is a high 5-star for a reason. If he he was able to leave after this year and go to the NBA, he would go 1st round...period. Partly because the draft sucks, but because his ceiling is to the moon. He's raw, meaning his offensive skills are low but his athleticism is in another dimension. This guy can touch the top corner of the backboard. He's a 6'10 or 6'11 guy (depending where you look) with a 7'4 wingspan and 9'4 standing reach. He's not like Chris Johnson who was 6'11 190. The kid has a great frame and is going to be a monster in 2-3 years.
Here's a video of him jumping: Freak
The guy is EXPLOSIVE. Athletically he's way beyond KBW. I don't understand how we are arguing this. The guy is a high 5-star for a reason. If he he was able to leave after this year and go to the NBA, he would go 1st round...period. Partly because the draft sucks, but because his ceiling is to the moon. He's raw, meaning his offensive skills are low but his athleticism is in another dimension. This guy can touch the top corner of the backboard. He's a 6'10 or 6'11 guy (depending where you look) with a 7'4 wingspan and 9'4 standing reach. He's not like Chris Johnson who was 6'11 190. The kid has a great frame and is going to be a monster in 2-3 years.
Here's a video of him jumping: Freak
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:47 pm to CP3forMVP
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When you say "he's twice the basketball player KBW is or was" you aren't referring to 5 years down the line.
I've already addressed what I said
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KBW in his one season was 13th in the entire SEC in plus minus, 4th in defensive plus minus, 3rd in total rebound percentage, and 1st in block percentage. It's embarrassing how many people don't realize how good he was and how important he was for that team last season.
You bring up box score points per game stats like they show how good a player really is. Points per game stats are for amateurs.
KBW was great at weak side shot blocking and offensive rebounding. He did those two things at an elite level. He was also a very good defender.
Not sure why you're trying to downplay what I've said about KBW. I've talked about how solid of a player he was. However, don't try to make him out to be an all-star. He was an exceptional role player for us.
If anything, I just don't think you understand Cisse's talent level.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:50 pm to LSUButt
Cisse absolutely has a higher ceiling, that doesnt necessarily mean it will translate into much better than 23 year old KBW numbers as a 17-18 year old freshman though.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 3:17 pm to LSUButt
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KBW was great at weak side shot blocking and offensive rebounding. He did those two things at an elite level. He was also a very good defender.
Not sure why you're trying to downplay what I've said about KBW. I've talked about how solid of a player he was. However, don't try to make him out to be an all-star. He was an exceptional role player for us.
If anything, I just don't think you understand Cisse's talent level.
I understand his talent level just fine, but the argument continues to be that he will not be a better player as a Freshman at LSU than KBW was as a 5th year Senior. I don't care what simplistic points per game stats say, Cisse won't impact the game nearly as much as KBW did as a Freshman. This all started with you saying Cisse is "twice the basketball player KBW is or was," which again just isn't the case.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 3:18 pm
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