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re: Moussa Cisse crystal Ball pick to LSU
Posted on 3/11/20 at 3:24 pm to CP3forMVP
Posted on 3/11/20 at 3:24 pm to CP3forMVP
Yeah it's tough to come into major college basketball and just dominate.
Shaq as a freshman couldn't hold Shaq as a sophomore's jock strap:
Freshman Shaq - 14 points (57%), 12 boards, 3.6 blocks per game
Sophomore Shaq - 28 points (63%), 15 boards, 5 blocks per game
For almost any player ever, your freshman year isn't your best year
Shaq as a freshman couldn't hold Shaq as a sophomore's jock strap:
Freshman Shaq - 14 points (57%), 12 boards, 3.6 blocks per game
Sophomore Shaq - 28 points (63%), 15 boards, 5 blocks per game
For almost any player ever, your freshman year isn't your best year
Posted on 3/11/20 at 3:25 pm to LSUButt
You are basically making another “college team A can beat NFL team B” argument. Regardless of his arm length and explosiveness there are things that a 23 year old who has been in college for 5 years will be better at and will make him just as valueable, if not more. I think we need Cisse badly and if he is a KBW clone or better I’d be ecstatic, but I don’t see it in year 1. Now, if he comes back, since I’m assuming he’s gonna be a little young for his class, then I think he can surpass KBW by a lot in year 2.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 5:55 pm to bugafor6
All I've said is I think Cisse could replicate KBW's numbers from last year when he's at LSU.
He's an elite talent. He will be a One and Done. AGAIN...I LIKED KBW...but it's not like KBW was some All-SEC guy that cannot be replaced. We missed on his replacement this year because of Alleva. He did some things really well and was a good basketball player and great teammate. He fit into our team absolutely perfectly. Yes, he impacted the team more than sheer numbers. As a basketball player he is limited, it's why he's a very average G Leaguer.
If you read through this thread, it's very strange. It goes from talking about how Cisse is an elite talent, you do whatever you can to make room...to basically saying don't expect much his Freshman year because he's a Freshman. I think him averaging less than 7 and 6 is a massive letdown considering his talent.
He's an elite talent. He will be a One and Done. AGAIN...I LIKED KBW...but it's not like KBW was some All-SEC guy that cannot be replaced. We missed on his replacement this year because of Alleva. He did some things really well and was a good basketball player and great teammate. He fit into our team absolutely perfectly. Yes, he impacted the team more than sheer numbers. As a basketball player he is limited, it's why he's a very average G Leaguer.
If you read through this thread, it's very strange. It goes from talking about how Cisse is an elite talent, you do whatever you can to make room...to basically saying don't expect much his Freshman year because he's a Freshman. I think him averaging less than 7 and 6 is a massive letdown considering his talent.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 6:19 pm to thunderbird1100
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Yeah it's tough to come into major college basketball and just dominate. Shaq as a freshman couldn't hold Shaq as a sophomore's jock strap: Freshman Shaq - 14 points (57%), 12 boards, 3.6 blocks per game Sophomore Shaq - 28 points (63%), 15 boards, 5 blocks per game For almost any player ever, your freshman year isn't your best year
Every season you see highly touted bigs coming out of high school who struggle to see the floor once they get to college. Going from facing high schoolers to college level bigs is a different game. I know Cisse has good size, but the people he’s playing with and against, it's not even comparable.
Just look at the two prospects people thought LSU would get last year, and some touted as potential replacements, Dante and Walker. Dante only sees the floor in blowouts and Walker has seen minutes a little more consistently, but has been pretty bad. A lot of these guys just aren’t ready.
It’s why saying Cisse would two times the player KBW was is asinine. He may very well come here and put up better per game stats, but he will never be physically able to stand up to guys like KBW. Cisse won’t be 3rd in the league in rebounding, or first in blocks. He won’t be a very smart defender who doesn’t miss rotations, do other things to help his teammates, defend the rim at an elite rate, defend the PnR, etc.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:19 pm to CP3forMVP
There's so many things about that which are wrong. There's also many reasons why Dante has not transitioned well to college, and he should not be taken as the gold standard.
He's not the #8 overall player because he plays at 30 games at Christ the King. He's ranked there because he plays 50+ games a year on the AAU circuit with and against other ranked players.
You cannot be serious. Literally what? Well I guess people could tell him and his people he won't make it in the NBA if he will never be able to handle guys (even though he's 6'11 220 as a soon to be 17 year old)
How do you know?
How do you know?
How do you know?
Especially how do you know?
This is a Cisse recruiting thread. It's a thread about why he's awesome and why he will be awesome. It's not a thread about why the #8 player who WILL ABSOLUTELY 100% BE A ONE AND DONE won't be as good as a 5th year senior who averaged 8 and 7.
The argument that a Freshmen won't be as good just because he's a Freshman is absurd. More often than not a 5-star player is a major impact player, especially top 10 players.
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I know Cisse has good size, but the people he’s playing with and against, it's not even comparable.
He's not the #8 overall player because he plays at 30 games at Christ the King. He's ranked there because he plays 50+ games a year on the AAU circuit with and against other ranked players.
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He may very well come here and put up better per game stats, but he will never be physically able to stand up to guys like KBW.
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never be physically
You cannot be serious. Literally what? Well I guess people could tell him and his people he won't make it in the NBA if he will never be able to handle guys (even though he's 6'11 220 as a soon to be 17 year old)
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Cisse won’t be 3rd in the league in rebounding,
How do you know?
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He won’t be a very smart defender who doesn’t miss rotations
How do you know?
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do other things to help his teammates
How do you know?
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defend the rim at an elite rate
Especially how do you know?
This is a Cisse recruiting thread. It's a thread about why he's awesome and why he will be awesome. It's not a thread about why the #8 player who WILL ABSOLUTELY 100% BE A ONE AND DONE won't be as good as a 5th year senior who averaged 8 and 7.
The argument that a Freshmen won't be as good just because he's a Freshman is absurd. More often than not a 5-star player is a major impact player, especially top 10 players.
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:45 pm to LSUButt
How many Moussa Cisse full games did you watch? How many against elite competition? You act as if he’s the second coming of shaq based off highlight tapes. Who says he’s still 16? He’s from Africa and he’s about to reclassify. Odds are he is 18 already. Nobody in this thread is doubting his potential especially long term. People are using common sense to assume he won’t score 12-14 a game just from dunks and layups under the goal. Read the professional scouting report that says he will need to find some sort of an offensive game to carve out a niche in the nba.
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/11/20 at 8:19 pm to bugafor6
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Nobody in this thread is doubting his potential especially long term.
Literally one person is and that's who I am arguing with.
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You act as if he’s the second coming of shaq based off highlight tapes.
People do not read in this thread. Go back, look what I said I expected his numbers to be. I essentially said KBW. Are you reading what I'm saying?
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Read the professional scouting report that says he will need to find some sort of an offensive game to carve out a niche in the nba.
Dude...again, are you reading what I've said? I said he probably won't score double digits.
I think this really proves that people don't actually read what others write. I said 9ppg, 8rpg, 2.5bpg. He's known as an elite shot blocker. He's ranked where he is because of what he brings around the rim. Trendon Watford is averaging 7.2 rebounds, I see it very probable he can average 8.
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