re: Remove

Not really. Beam was the decider. The first four looked scared to fall instead of confidence. Maybe Kai should not lead off. Other than Haleigh and Aleah, Alyona has the best form. Elena imo should lead off. Those switch half’s need to go and we had too many landing deductions throughout the entire meet. Home teams in the sec usually has the advantage if the away team is not hitting and doing great gymnastics . We have to keep climbing and the days of floor and vault getting us through for the win is no longer. It’s only gonna get tougher with Auburn, Florida, and Bama with two away. Usable score to stay ahead of Kentucky and Bama.

Actually last night was our 2nd highest score. Hoping Jay just throws new routines out on beam next week and sees what sticks. That rotation is not getting it done. Maybe put Elena first and move Kai to second. We really Bryce back. Any word on how long before she’s out of concussion protocol? And not to beat a dead horse but why not try Alexis on beam.

True, but we have to overcome the 196 scores on the road to improve our RQS when it starts counting. Three road scores and any other two. Will count.

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Not really. Beam was the decider. The first four looked scared to fall instead of confidence. Maybe Kai should not lead off. Other than Haleigh and Aleah, Alyona has the best form. Elena imo should lead off. Those switch half’s need to go and we had too many landing deductions throughout the entire meet. Home teams in the sec usually has the advantage if the away team is not hitting and doing great gymnastics . We have to keep climbing and the days of floor and vault getting us through for the win is no longer. It’s only gonna get tougher with Auburn, Florida, and Bama with two away. Usable score to stay ahead of Kentucky and Bama.

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Disagree. Arkansas’s beam was no better than LSU. Not saying we did good on beam just comparing. When LSU was on floor we were getting probably fair scores. But then it seems the judges knew exactly what Arkansas needed to score to beat LSU. I’m sorry those Arkansas floor routines were not 9.9. One girl almost fell over and got a 9.9.

Also keep this in mind. Arkansas’s overall score was a top 5 high score in the country this year. That’s quite a jump considering they are averaging at number 23.

Yes obviously we need to clean things up but we are not a finished product and are not perfect. I just want to see fair scoring for the sport. I realize at home you’re going to get an advantage but the discrepancy should not be this large.

The 23 ranking of Arkansas is deceptive. They have had poor bar rotations that have them dropped down. I was surprised they have good form on bars and beam. Yea floor was a little high but we gave away too much on beam and floor landings could’ve been better. The athletes can’t control the judges and I’m just tired of the complaining about it on twitter, Facebook groups and honestly here. We gave away the meet and some can agree or disagree. Floor for all the Sec schools have a tendency to be high. Florida and LSU have benefited for just the name and have had high home scores. Arkansas looked good last night and we did for two rotations. Floor I feel everyone was kinda off on a pass. The first four beam routines pretty much gave 7 tenths away in deductions. We opened up the door to let the meet slip away. I love our ladies and they are fighters . With that said as a fan or a friend or a family member on this board the reality is losing a meet doesn’t matter really. It’s the scoring and we have to do the best to control the things we can only control. Form, routine construction, confidence. If those are down properly, the scores will show regardless what the other team is doing or biased judging .

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I understand the complaining about scores. But year in and out it does not change.

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But it such a huge deal. You complain about the coaching but if you think there is some routine structure that the coaches can come up where the girls will always hit, youre in la la land and will never be happy.

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Built in deductions we get hit for especially on beam.

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Previously you were talking about Elena being the leadoff for beam instead of Kai. My question is why? She got a 9.775, which was scored horrifically. Which is my point I am getting at with the scoring.

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My gripe is the coaches. If they are hitting the positions in the gym, it’s not translating to competition. Im sorry Jay as the head coach has to make better decisions on this with Gnat. Regardless of scoring and Injuries, the execution needs to get better and the competitive edge really hasn’t been there since 2019 and some parts of 2020.

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Thats fine and you have some evidence to back up what youre saying. But lets call a spade a spade, LSU performed better than Arkansas last night and didnt get the results. Thats got to be discouraging as a gymnast but Id imagine they are being tough minded about it.

I do think this team is improving since week 1 and all that really matters is how they do in postseason.

We don’t know where Arkansas will end up just as well we could be out by first round of regionals again. Just because I’m a fan of LSU and from Baton Rouge does not negate the fact we have to get better period. But some of the things I see are issues with coaching, I’m sorry. Im not gonna downgrade Arkansas and their staff because of loose scoring on floor in a meet that we looked horrible on beam. I just think scoring is not going to change until the coaches come together and make it a change. We can complain for the next 10 years like the last 10 years about scoring.

To say we looked horrible on beam is a bit harsh. And ironically, you're complaining about our coaching because our scores are low.

All I was saying is that LSU needs to improve but should have had a better score than Arkansas.

Can the girls be coached to hit 180 on leaps or not have bent knees? (Just throwing out a couple of automatic deductions that people have mentioned) Or is a matter of that’s just the limits of their capabilities at this stage of their career?

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Can the girls be coached to hit 180 on leaps or not have bent knees? (Just throwing out a couple of automatic deductions that people have mentioned) Or is a matter of that’s just the limits of their capabilities at this stage of their career?

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The 180 splits on basic leaps can definitely be improved. That is something Gnat and Jay have to really dial in and work on. But step #1 would be to remove rotating leaps from Kai and Ballards routine. They need to focus on hitting the basic 180 split mark and getting through the routine cleanly as possible. If they are struggling with that, why on earth would you put a switch half in their routine? Thats where the routine construction is not very smart. There are things that are out of the coaches control but if the athlete is struggling with a skill like that, they need to step in and take it out. Lets help them out and take some pressure off them.


Now in terms of bent knees? Someone like Arenas? I don't think Gnat is going to be able to fix that. Arenas has had bent knees on her series and many skills for years even coming out of JO. The best you can hope is if they work on her leaps to maximize her score as much as possible. Bridget Dean is the perfect example of someone with some form issues but was able to give LSU solid 9.85-9.875 type scores weekly after her leaps improved.


And I'm not trying to degrade any of the girls. Not everyone is a natural beam worker or someone who will score 9.9+ weekly. But LSU can do a better job of managing routines better and working on those minor details (leaps, extension on skills) to maximize routines to the fullest extent. Hopefully we can get Bryce back soon. Thats one routine that has a chance to be great and help out the lineup