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Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by gymfan517
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:36 pm to
I totally agree. Maybe the gymnasts should rotate where they are in the lineup and really see what goes on. Someone like Kiya should score well wherever she is in the lineup, so let's change it up and give every gymnast a fair shot.
Posted by DC4LSU
baton rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2250 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 8:17 am to
OK, I think it is amazing if I do not see any of these people on the gymnastics Facebook page talking about the over scoring at the big 10..... Granted I Did not watch the meet but if Michigan had an average of 196.813 with their high being 197.350 and suddenly score 197.950 at this meet..... I mean I guess it's possible that they all had the meet of their life. More probable they all got hypnotized to stick all their landings I don't know but that seems like a awful big increase to me
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
807 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 11:53 am to
Opinions on how Florida is continuing to get such big name recruits? Seems like for the past few years the talk on here has been how Jenny hasn’t lived up to expectations or done enough with the talent she has. Sounds like they have another killer class coming in next year with Hurd and McCusker. What is it about UF that attracts them? We have such great facilities and fan support. I don’t know what other schools have, but I can’t imagine it’s any better. What’s the feeling about our coaching staff? Is there that possibility that young girls would rather go where there’s a youngish female coach, someone they can relate to a little better? I feel like everyone should be lining up to come to LSU!
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
736 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 1:17 pm to
I thought the same thing. I was amazed at the score Michigan finished with last night.Minnesota didn't fair so well in that meet. Judging is inconsistent for sure. Even when gymnasts hit their routines without obvious deductions they often get the minimum of 9.8 leaving everyone wondering how is that possible.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67932 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 1:32 pm to
Because Florida is a pretty attractive school for most athletics and even education. Most their sports don't have issues bringing in top talent. Jenny is a pretty good recruiter and she has a staff that all recruits very well. Some coaches are just special recruiters or have a staff that all recruits at a high level. Recruiting is a bit different in gymnastics than football where guys want to come here for like 2-3 years before bouncing to the NFL to become millionaires. Many of these girls also heavily weight academic options which has played a role in a few recruitments. There were a few girls LSU wanted pretty bad but they chose Stanford or UCLA because they liked the weight of those academic degrees, which is understandable.

DD has never been an "elite" recruiter. Jay is a great recruiter though.


OU has awful fan support and not great facilities but Kindler has been able to sell a message to usually get one or two "top" gymnasts on a team each season while being able to develop a great supporting cast to them. IMO they develop better than anyone else in the country right now. They don't have the flashy recruits as a whole like UCLA/Florida. They usually have couple elites with a big blend of level 10 kids. I honestly think they are the gold standard, you don't need a bunch of elites to be good. Issue with some of the elites is many of them are so beat up that they are limited to like one or two events.

IMO the biggest issue for LSU in recent years in recruiting is recruiting kids who have been injured for years before coming to LSU. It set many of them back in terms of their development. Many of the current gymnasts are pretty limited in terms of what they can do or actually compete.


Anyways, LSU's next two classes are absolutely loaded. We just signed the #1 recruiting class last year. Just got to get Kai, Alyona and Ryan healthy. There is a lot more to that class that has yet to be seen yet. Kiya has really been the only one healthy enough to truly give us a lot and its been a major impact.
This post was edited on 2/23/20 at 6:16 pm
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 1:39 pm to
You have to be really careful when you recruit Elites. Spencer from the Balance Beam Situation sums it up best when he says their body is often held together by tape, hope, and prayers and that their legs are made of glass. Yes, they are a big name, but their bodies can be so beat up that they're a constant injury risk.

Riley is a beautiful gymnasts and oh my gosh, at her peak could score 9.9+ in almost every event out of the gate... but she never will for Florida. I doubt we ever see Riley on vault or floor for the Gators... she's just too beat up.

Morgan might be another story... if she makes it to college she could easily be another Trinity. She's beat up, but gosh, waster down those routines and she'll be amazing. That is, if she makes it to UF... if she makes the Olympic team, I don't see her going to Florida, but that's an entirely different post.

LSU is at a disadvantage academically compared to schools like UCLA and FL. My B.A. is from LSU, but being real, 4 year degrees from either of those schools carries more weight when trying to pursue more advanced degrees and that also factors into an athlete's ultimate decision.

Last thought, I don't think Jenny is necessarily a big pull for the athletes, but I do think Owen Field is...their asst. coach. I mean, just google him and imagine that sitting in your living room and telling him you don't want to go to FL.

I say all this just to tell you, don't get stuck on the name. It's really easy to think that those top tier elites will bring better gymnastics to a school, but it's not always the case.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67932 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 5:41 pm to
Guess who qualified to NL Cup with Haleigh Bryant? Speaking of Bryant, she went over 39 in the AA which is insane.

This post was edited on 2/23/20 at 5:42 pm
Posted by DC4LSU
baton rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2250 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 5:46 pm to
The next 2 classes for LSU are just loaded though not sure about after that, but man the next 2 will be special
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
736 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 6:01 pm to
That is awesome for Olivia. She's a beautiful gymnast. Looking forward to her class coming in next year to give us depth and a new look!


Utah just got a 49.6 on bars in their meet against UCLA.
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
807 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 6:05 pm to
Thanks so much, Tigerbait and jpylan. I really respect your knowledge of gymnastics, and enjoy picking your brains for your knowledge and insight!
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67932 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 7:27 pm to
UCLA goes 49.800 on floor and Utah goes 49.775 on beam in the last rotation. A bunch of 10s handed out with non stuck landings or dismounts.



Judges may have gotten tired
This post was edited on 2/23/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
1211 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 8:17 pm to
Scoring in the Utah-UCLA meet was a complete joke!
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
736 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 8:29 pm to
The NQS are out in the standings. LSU is ranked 5th.


LINK
This post was edited on 2/23/20 at 8:32 pm
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
6186 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 9:03 pm to
Where does Olivia rank on incoming freshman gymnast ? I have seen her highlights and she looks unbelievable
Posted by DC4LSU
baton rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2250 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 10:37 pm to
I watched and there were some great Gymnastics, but it got a bit ridiculous toward the end....I do however think Grace Glen totally deserved her 10
Posted by russiangym
Member since Jan 2020
123 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 3:47 am to
I agree entirely with Tigerbait37's comment about recuiting.

Another factor that must be mentioned re: Florida, but also most other top gymnastics schools, is the extent to which existing team members affect future recruits. Someone picking a school is much more likely to go to a school at which they already have friends from club gym or elite. IMO that makes it easier for Florida to get more high level elites/national team members, since they all already knew each other for years from camps.

This is why the schools talk about developing links to certain gyms. So one reason why UCLA manages to get top Canadian elites is because those girls grew up watching Peng Peng Lee and following her career. They've grown up wanting to join UCLA since they were like 6. The same goes with LSU's recruiting - after McKenna, we would've gotten her sister, plus we then got two walk ons from the same gym (Lexie Nibbs and Maddie Rau). And we got Ruby through Lexie, since Ruby's gym used to come to train at Lexie's gym over the summer. Jay is definitely a great recruiter.

KJ is really great at picking gymnasts and developing them though. She gets a lot of L10s, and not even the star ones, and somehow turns them into weekly 9.9s. But part of this is also routine construction. They do only what difficulty is necessary, which they can hit well, and their gymnasts have practically no built-in deductions. On the other hand, they manage to maintain a lineup full of Y1.5s. They also manage their injuries well - Nichols and Smith are both definitely beat up, but have been managed well. Of course that is difficult to do if you don't have usable backups, which is the current LSU situation. Hopefully things will be significantly different next year when we get multiple strong AAers who aren't too beat up. Very glad Olivia Dunne and Annie Beard quit elite.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67932 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Where does Olivia rank on incoming freshman gymnast ? I have seen her highlights and she looks unbelievable


She is really really good. She is among the top tier of incoming kids for next year. Elite didn’t go as well as it could have but she has all the skills and execution to go 9.9 on each event in NCAA. Provided we put together smart routine construction, her and Bryant will be a pretty giant part of our team next year. With Arenas giving us a lot of on vault, bars and floor. I truly think if the 2020 kids stay healthy (knock on wood), they could have an even greater impact than the freshmen class for this year.

Side note, Olivia does a switch leap to switch half on beam that she doesn’t hit. I would be pretty livid if DD keeps that in her routine. The rest of the routine is great.


Posted by khill715
Sterlington
Member since May 2019
767 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 12:34 pm to
Haha! Well you can count on it being in there then. DD loves to put in the difficult leap series on all our girls even if they don't do them well.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
736 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:36 pm to
You are so right! Stubborn is the word!
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67932 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 5:06 pm to


Hopefully Selena Harris is LSU bound this summer!
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