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re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:31 pm to The312
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:31 pm to The312
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Several flaws with this. First of all, you don't know whether or not Dodd's loss caused Alabama to sign a recruit lower on its board until Signing Day. They could replace him with someone even more highly touted, at his position or another. (By contrast, since the 2012 class is closed, I can say authoritatively that Collins' loss actually caused LSU to sign Thompson, who was lower on our staff's own internal rankings.) Second of all, envisioning the recruiting targets as a pool of national recruits doesn't alleviate my concern in the least. To continue with the Collins example, even if I disregard state of residency, we nonetheless had to replace a better player (Collins) with a worse player (Thompson). That's bad for LSU. The ultimate result is the same. In fact, if I were truly to adopt a national perspective, I might be even more concerned about LSU's recent recruiting, since Alabama has consistently been ranked ahead of us in national rankings for a half a decade, and last season we finished outside the tope ten in consensus national rankings. Finally, your approach ignores the fundamental truth that in-state recruits are the historical cornerstone of LSU's success. They really aren't fungible because they have emotional and geographic ties to the school. Any credible coach at LSU will always prioritize signing the best players in the state. DiNardo started to do it, Saban did it, and Miles has continued to try to do it.
Your vocabulary belies your narrow minded point of view
So if Landon Collins had been committed to LSU early in the process, then decided to go to Bama, it wouldn't have been as big a loss? Because LSU might have been able to replace him with some other hypothetical 5-star recruit? Bama hasn't been able to replace Dodd with anyone better FWIW. Second, if you want to rewrite history as far as Saban's time at LSU, by all means continue to live in your bubble. You state without reservation that "Dinardo started to do it, Saban did it, and Miles has continued to try to do it as though Miles has been less successful in recruiting La. in comparison to Saban. This is simply not true. Where were you in 2002 when LSU's class ranked between 15-20 nationally and LSU failed to sign Jonathan Wade, Akiem Jolla, Chase Pittman, Rufus Alexander, Sammy Joseph - all players that LSU wanted badly. Half the top 10 in La went OOS that year under the great Nick Saban.
It happens. Kids leave the state. The sooner you are able to come to terms with it, rather than blaming our coaches, smearing shite on our program, and measuring your dick with Alabama's, the better off you'll be. This type of revisionist bullshite where LSU used to sign everyone they wanted in La. under Saban, and should be signing every single player in La. without ever losing a battle is small-minded and naive.
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:32 pm to The312
Lsu backed off Tim Williams a long time ago we knew him well and did not want him! That's the truth ! Good luck Bama!
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:44 pm to Penrod
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There's really no difference between a 3-2-6 and a 3-4 except some of the guys relieving LBs are smaller and faster. They still have similar responsibilities.
The two defenses have completely different goals against an offense. There is a big difference
Again, Even if that were true it wouldnt change the fact that thats the only time Chevis has played that type of defense. To say he plays the 3-4 " a lot" is a ridiculous statement no matter how you slice it
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:45 pm to tigerfan4120
Gawd, I hate that this thread leaked over to this board. This gives every rantard a feeling that they can muddy up this board like they destroy the rant.
Of course Saban at Alabama has recruited extraordinarily well - but he has done that relative to everyone. LSU is pulling in another extraordinary class this year - this is a year to be very pleased with LSU recruiting because if the guys coming in stay disciplined they have the talent to win a NC at LSU.
The OP needs to read some of the threads about incoming recruits and look forward to seeing them in purple and gold.
Of course Saban at Alabama has recruited extraordinarily well - but he has done that relative to everyone. LSU is pulling in another extraordinary class this year - this is a year to be very pleased with LSU recruiting because if the guys coming in stay disciplined they have the talent to win a NC at LSU.
The OP needs to read some of the threads about incoming recruits and look forward to seeing them in purple and gold.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:46 pm to tigerfan4120
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So if Landon Collins had been committed to LSU early in the process, then decided to go to Bama, it wouldn't have been as big a loss? Because LSU might have been able to replace him with some other hypothetical 5-star recruit? Bama hasn't been able to replace Dodd with anyone better FWIW.
Of course, if LSU had been able to replace Collins with another five star recruit, it would have certainly mitigated the loss. That didn't happen, though. We replaced him with a player who was lower on our boards. All I was suggesting is that we won't know with certainty how Alabama will use Dodd's slot until February.
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It happens. Kids leave the state. The sooner you are able to come to terms with it, rather than blaming our coaches, smearing shite on our program, and measuring your dick with Alabama's, the better off you'll be. This type of revisionist bullshite where LSU used to sign everyone they wanted in La. under Saban, and should be signing every single player in La. without ever losing a battle is small-minded and naive.
You took a single sentence of my post, parsed it, and tried to transform this entire thread into an argument about what it is that Saban could and could not accomplish at LSU. I won't bite. That's not the subject of this discussion. This thread is about an increasing trend of highly touted Louisiana recruits decamping for Tuscaloosa.
I'm not persuaded by the argument that "kids leave the state," as if it is some inevitability. The frequency of an event has no bearing on whether or not it's good for the program. LSU loses games regularly, but no one would suggest that the losses are good for the program or should make fans happy. LSU gets beaten by Alabama regularly, but that's not a good thing for the program either. LSU regularly fails to win the SEC, and that's not good. The regularity or supposed inevitability of an event doesn't determine whether or not the event is good or bad.
Similarly, even if I accept that "kids leave the state," it doesn't mean I should be HAPPY about it, or that I shouldn't be DISAPPOINTED when our primary divisional rival plucks a five star from Louisiana. Again, this is a very focused argument and has been from the outset: the only point here is that losing highly touted, coveted in-state recruits to Alabama is a bad thing for LSU. That point is essentially indisputable.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:55 pm to The312
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Of course, if LSU had been able to replace Collins with another five star recruit, it would have certainly mitigated the loss. That didn't happen, though. We replaced him with a player who was lower on our boards. All I was suggesting is that we won't know with certainty how Alabama will use Dodd's slot until February.
Stars stars stars
Dont mean
shite shite shite
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:56 pm to The312
do you understand your rants belong on the rant instead of the recruiting board?
you should be - more leave Alabama instead of going to Alabama than leave Louisiana instead of going to LSU
the frequency of bad events has a cumulative effect - if LSU is getting 9 of the top 10 Louisiana recruits they want this year the only fair conclusion to make is we are doing a better job of in state recruiting than pretty much any other program (including Bama) in the country.
good lord, this is a rant discussion you keep trying to divert the recruiting board to. If you must have it here at least mention we have beaten them in two of the last four times we played them (and should have won again this year)
Rant discussion again.
LSU has won the SEC twice since 2007 - which compares to Florida (06, 08), Alabama (09, 12), Auburn (10). But goddammit this discussion belongs on the rant not on the recruiting board.
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I'm not persuaded by the argument that "kids leave the state," as if it is some inevitability
you should be - more leave Alabama instead of going to Alabama than leave Louisiana instead of going to LSU
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The frequency of an event has no bearing on whether or not it's good for the program.
the frequency of bad events has a cumulative effect - if LSU is getting 9 of the top 10 Louisiana recruits they want this year the only fair conclusion to make is we are doing a better job of in state recruiting than pretty much any other program (including Bama) in the country.
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LSU gets beaten by Alabama regularly, but that's not a good thing for the program either.
good lord, this is a rant discussion you keep trying to divert the recruiting board to. If you must have it here at least mention we have beaten them in two of the last four times we played them (and should have won again this year)
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LSU regularly fails to win the SEC, and that's not good.
Rant discussion again.
LSU has won the SEC twice since 2007 - which compares to Florida (06, 08), Alabama (09, 12), Auburn (10). But goddammit this discussion belongs on the rant not on the recruiting board.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:58 pm to roscoe mike
Dude just relax were gonna be fine: We have got plenty of bama recruits over the years and we will continue to get recruits from bama and vice versa.
JaMarcus Russell 4*
Chevis Jackson 3*
Melvin Oliver 3*
Brandon Washington 4*
Josh Williford 3*
Sam Gibson 3*
Stephen Rivers 3*
Kwon Alexander 4*
JaMarcus Russell 4*
Chevis Jackson 3*
Melvin Oliver 3*
Brandon Washington 4*
Josh Williford 3*
Sam Gibson 3*
Stephen Rivers 3*
Kwon Alexander 4*
Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:59 pm to roscoe mike
And to further clarify....my concern is for the better players in the state. Historically, the best high school players from our state have helped the programs they were a part of become elite. The few that come to mind are Warrick Dunn, Kordell Stewert, Mickey Joseph, Travis Minor, the Mannings, etc.
Then, players like Kevin Faulk, Michael Clayton, Skyler Green, Justin Vincent and others came to LSU to help build LSU to elite status.
The one and only point I'm making is I'm disappointed in multiple, highly rated La. prospects going to a division rival who happens to be winning championships.
This is not a gloom and doom forcast. But it is a trend that needs to be reversed.
And by the way, I'm not the one who turned this into a trashy thread. You supposed more astute "recruiting board" posters started slinging the mud.
Then, players like Kevin Faulk, Michael Clayton, Skyler Green, Justin Vincent and others came to LSU to help build LSU to elite status.
The one and only point I'm making is I'm disappointed in multiple, highly rated La. prospects going to a division rival who happens to be winning championships.
This is not a gloom and doom forcast. But it is a trend that needs to be reversed.
And by the way, I'm not the one who turned this into a trashy thread. You supposed more astute "recruiting board" posters started slinging the mud.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:01 pm to molsusports
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The OP needs to read some of the threads about incoming recruits and look forward to seeing them in purple and gold.
I am. For sure.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:06 pm to molsusports
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Rant discussion again.
Apparently, you don't appreciate the notion of argument by analogy. The poster I was responding to implied that losing highly touted in-state players to Alabama wasn't a bad thing merely because we regularly (in his view) lose highly touted in-state players. I was merely pointing out that the frequency of an event doesn't dictate whether it is good or bad for LSU, and I included examples to prove the point. These weren't red herrings or separate topics, they clearly related to the ongoing discussion about recruiting.
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the frequency of bad events has a cumulative effect - if LSU is getting 9 of the top 10 Louisiana recruits they want this year the only fair conclusion to make is we are doing a better job of in state recruiting than pretty much any other program (including Bama) in the country.
I'm not certain why it is so difficult to comprehend the limited scope of the argument taking place in this thread. I'm not taking a position on the broader digressions that other posters continually raise. My point is a rudimentary and indisputable one. I'll say it again: losing highly touted in-state recruits to Alabama is undesirable and bad for LSU. In the context of your hypothetical, it would be even better for LSU to land 10 of 10, right? Of course. Hence, losing the one recruit is not good for LSU. No one is debating the broader implications, we're discussing whether or not that one isolated defection is good or bad for LSU. Once more, losing highly touted in-state recruits to Alabama is undesirable and bad for LSU. If you have some issue with THAT narrow position, please let me know.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:06 pm to roscoe mike
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This is not a gloom and doom forcast. But it is a trend that needs to be reversed.
Dude, look up the definition of a trend. Its not a fricking trend.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:20 pm to The312
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My point is a rudimentary and indisputable one
your point is a myopic and risible one
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In the context of your hypothetical, it would be even better for LSU to land 10 of 10, right? Of course. Hence, losing the one recruit is not good for LSU
Of course that is wrong - when you get 9 of the top 10 recruits in a talent rich state you are not just doing well you are doing better than any other major program in defending your state borders from competing football powers.
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No one is debating the broader implications, we're discussing whether or not that one isolated defection is good or bad for LSU.
No one reasonable focuses on the single defection if they are talking about the state of LSU football. They look at the broader picture about recruiting if they are attempting to draw conclusions about recruiting in state.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:51 pm to molsusports
Good God, 10 pages since 11:17am today
Since I am here now, I will take our list from Bama and they can have ours to date.
Since I am here now, I will take our list from Bama and they can have ours to date.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 4:04 pm to Nissanmaxima
last 3 pages are tl;dr
Posted on 1/17/13 at 4:05 pm to BOZ4LSU
312's speech class text book was Mein Kempf
Posted on 1/17/13 at 4:23 pm to roscoe mike
First few sentences you said this was no indictment of CLM. Then you indict him in your last sentence . So you need to stop!
Btw, when you have the number 1 program in your neighborhood its gonna happen so get over it.
Btw, when you have the number 1 program in your neighborhood its gonna happen so get over it.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 4:28 pm to roscoe mike
So you are claiming LSU should have signed Lacy IN ADDITION to Ford, Blue, & Ware?
Damn, I thought there was an 85 scholarship limit-stupid me!
Damn, I thought there was an 85 scholarship limit-stupid me!
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 4:30 pm
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