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re: Incoming Basketball Transfers
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:22 pm to ShacReed
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:22 pm to ShacReed
No context?
McMahon has gone 14-35 in the SEC. That's a winning percentage of .286 if you don't know the math.
How's that for context?
Stop with the Jalen Reed excuses. Jalen isn't close to an "All SEC" type of player. He averaged 4 points per game as a freshman and 7 points per game as a sophomore. His stats were ultra padded in the games last year before he got hurt. LSU played a cake-walk schedule before SEC play. Jalen was again going to be an average player in the SEC.
Those are the facts. You can bury your head in the sand and make excuses for LSU basketball until the cows come home.
McMahon has gone 14-35 in the SEC. That's a winning percentage of .286 if you don't know the math.
How's that for context?
Stop with the Jalen Reed excuses. Jalen isn't close to an "All SEC" type of player. He averaged 4 points per game as a freshman and 7 points per game as a sophomore. His stats were ultra padded in the games last year before he got hurt. LSU played a cake-walk schedule before SEC play. Jalen was again going to be an average player in the SEC.
Those are the facts. You can bury your head in the sand and make excuses for LSU basketball until the cows come home.
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:23 pm to Alt26
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Fundraising has ALWAYS been an aspect of the job.
sure. its way different now.
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Tony Bennett ...he decided this new world wasn't for him
right he wants to coach not be a fundraiser. he wanted to be like Dale brown and just spend a bit of time gladhanding.
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There is nothing a coach can do to leverage the player into staying
well there is something he can do, raise more money. because the game is totally different now.
I think maybe the game can evolve where teams have a GM who is basically and only a chief fundraiser, and if that guy is a former player and NBA player the idiotic donors who like to buy friends will give enough to win even if the coach is purely an actual coach. I hope so.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:25 pm to basiletiger
quote:Ummm, they were ranked 65th in the portal last year.
LSU HAD THE #12TH RANKED PORTAL CLASS IN THE COUNTRY LAST YEAR!
cry me a river about now we can compete we got "bags of cash".
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:43 pm to mmcgrath
sorry mmcrath overall ranking of the class was #14.
Transfer class the year before was ranked #17.
Transfer class the year before was ranked #17.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:50 pm to basiletiger
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Stop with the Jalen Reed excuses. Jalen isn't close to an "All SEC" type of player. He averaged 4 points per game as a freshman and 7 points per game as a sophomore. His stats were ultra padded in the games last year before he got hurt. LSU played a cake-walk schedule before SEC play. Jalen was again going to be an average player in the SEC.
This is a faulty argument for quite a few reasons.
First off lets just start with the obvious, improvement. Reed had shown really good improvement from his Freshman to Sophomore years. He was a negative as a Freshman, but he was a positive as a Sophomore. What would he have done with a full season under his belt as a Junior? Everyone who gets to view LSU practices said he was far and away their best player through camp.
Secondly, you bring just basic stats but don't acknowledge that he was just a part time starter. He only started 8 games in conference as a Sophomore. He was going to be a full time starter this year. Meaning if you want to just look at raw stats, his minutes would have gone up, which means his box score numbers would have gone up.
Third, you bring up the cup cake schedule. LSU has played a cup cake non conference schedule every year under McMahon. In non-conference last year in 24 minutes a night he averaged 9.3 pts, 5.3 rbs, 1.3 asts, and 2.8 turns. This year he was averaging 12.4 pts, 7.4 rbs, 1.3 asts, and 1.4 turns in 27 minutes a night. Again, improvement. I would also say the three games prior to his injury, when he actually played closer to the minutes he would have played in conference, he averaged 15.3 pts, 8.3 rbs, 1.7 asts, and 1.3 turns. Would 15 and 8 not have been valuable this year?
Lastly, you just bringing raw box score numbers is so stupid because you're ignoring a large part of Reeds impact, which is defense. He probably would have been their best defender. He undoubtedly would have been their best big defender. They missed his ability to defend the post, to defend on the perimeter, to defend the rim. LSU was one of the leagues worst rebounding teams this season, and a combo of Corey Chest and Jalen Reed would have been significantly better on the boards than what they had.
Am I saying Reed would have won conference player of the year? Of course not, but to say he would have been an average player is just wrong, truthfully. The team missed him tremendously this year.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:08 pm to CP3forMVP
Where would LSU have finished with Reed.................5 wins in the SEC instead of 3.
Come on man!! It's been an awful 3 year run.
The conference continues to get better and LSU basketball has become sour. If you don't believe me go to the PMAC for men's game.....it's a morgue!!!!
Come on man!! It's been an awful 3 year run.
The conference continues to get better and LSU basketball has become sour. If you don't believe me go to the PMAC for men's game.....it's a morgue!!!!
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:45 pm to basiletiger
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Where would LSU have finished with Reed.................5 wins in the SEC instead of 3.
I think with Reed they could have gotten to six or seven wins, which would have made them a tournament team. Shows how small the margins are in the SEC
It also wasn't just Reed. It was Ward as well. You lost two starters, your two most experienced players under McMahon, before you really got started.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:23 pm to jamarr
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nope. everything is different now. as I said.
I know you said it. It was wrong when you said it then, it’s wrong when you’re still saying it now.
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in the past you could have your stupid coaches caravan and talk to the rotary club and get 20k under the table for clarence caeeeeeeesar.
So fundraising was part of a coach’s job in the past? Didn’t you just say it wasn’t, multiple times?
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that's why coaches are quitting.
It’s not. And you incorrectly reading too far into what Tony bennett said doesn’t make it so.
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I despise McMahon.
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think about how much you hate him, and multiply it times 4.55. I wasn't absolving anything. you were. a lot. it was wild!
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don't make things up please.
Unfortunately for you, this site keeps track of post histories.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:27 pm to mcspufftiger7
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Yeah they never get rankings wrong.
It’s incredible that they only get LSU’s wrong, in order for your dumbass to be right about McMahon.
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competing
I am 100% convinced you are not capable of making a post that doesn’t include this word. Your life has to be so sad with that being the only barometer for success.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 6:37 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So fundraising was part of a coach’s job in the past?
of course it was. but its different now. far more money, far more player movement. now we basically have full free agency every year and it means constant renegotiation for the highest amount a player can get. now funding is far more important than ever.
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Didn’t you just say it wasn’t, multiple times?
If I did, surely you can find the quote. but ya cant! repeat, ya cant, and wont! I said that fundraising was part of coaching, for example I mentioned Dale brown getting cash for Clarence ceaaaaaaaaaaasaaaarrr!
look, if you wanna act like a bitch, that's fine, that's how you roll. but you cant claim I said what I'd didn't say while my whole history says otherwise friend. consider this a challenge, which you wont take, to find me saying one iota of anything contradictory.
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this site keeps track of post histories
I know which makes it double delicious you cant find a contradiction. you, can for example, find me predicting things correctly, like wade to NC state long before it happened.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 6:48 pm to basiletiger
quote:Yes, the freshmen were good.
sorry mmcrath overall ranking of the class was #14.
quote:Yes, and that led us to .500 in the SEC, a big improvement.
Transfer class the year before was ranked #17.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 7:02 pm to jamarr
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of course it was.
You’ve said it wasnt in this thread multiple times.
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far more player movement.
What does player movement have to do with fundraising?
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If I did, surely you can find the quote. but ya cant! repeat, ya cant, and wont
this is new. used to be a coach could coach and not be a fundraiser.
If only I could find a quote.
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look, if you wanna act like a bitch, that's fine, that's how you roll.
I will absolutely defer to your expertise on being a bitch.
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but you cant claim I said what I'd didn't say while my whole history says otherwise friend.
The post history on this site is really, really bad for you
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consider this a challenge, which you wont take, to find me saying one iota of anything contradictory.
well that's not true, many coaches have quit because they don't like the way things changed just now. they don't want to fundraise, they want to coach.
How many iotas is that, exactly?
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I know which makes it double delicious you cant find a contradiction.
Well it certainly doesn’t do that.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 7:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
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How many iotas is that, exactly?
what did I say that was contradictory? quotes or it didn't happen
do you know what mutually exclusive means?
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You’ve said it wasnt
quotes or it didn't happen
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What does player movement have to do with fundraising?
free player movement means way more leverage for the players, which means you need more cash to keep them. its why scott boras almost always tells his clients to get to free agency. you get paid more when you have options to leverage. thus more fundraising needed to keep players.
you seem to want to disagree so bad that you are unwilling to concede the finances of college ball have changed. that's unfortunate for a bitch.
I agreed coaches have always fundraised. I said that now its a new level and some coaches hate it. none of that is untrue or contradictory. in fact its deliciously true and laudably correct. I deserve plaudits or an award of some kind.
you are trying so hard to find a contradiction but cant. seems like a frivolous purtiot but bitches will be bitches
keep trying hombre!
Posted on 4/11/25 at 7:43 pm to jamarr
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what did I say that was contradictory?
Several things, actually.
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quotes or it didn't happen
Quotes were provided.
You conveniently chose to ignore them.
That is, as they say, you being a bitch. Which is why I defer to you as the expert on that area.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:05 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Quotes were provided
I meant contradictory ones. that means 1 quote saying X and another saying Y where X and Y are contradictory. ya cant do it! not possible, bub!
friend you are a bitch and I am kind so I will repeat what I said. I said in the past there was not as much fundraising required. there was some, but not as much, I mentioned Dale brown doing it under the table (which you removed from the quote), for example. in the past you didn't have to raise so much money to re-recruit a guy every year for his one-year contract.
and yes, I believe some coaches didn't really fundraise at all. for all I know McMahon never fundraised at Murray. to the extent he needed money maybe he had his assistants do it. maybe he didn't pay players at all and was totally a rule obeyer.
other coaches I have heard say they don't deal with money at all, if the player asks, they say ask the cash guy on staff. and as the other guy in the thread mentioned, some schools are so blue-blooded that money will come without effort.
again, this was all part of my positing that may be McMahon can let dupree handle the fundraising. I agree that most competitive teams must fundraise (I don't agree they always have needed to) but I am not convinced the person doing that task must be the coach.
for example, Shaq could decide to fund the team and that's the end of it. McMahon would need to do nothing. or fertita could fund Houston and require nothing from kelvin S.
the criticism we were discussing that McMahon was unwilling to fundraise. I am not sure he will need to or that is he is unwilling.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:12 pm to jamarr
That’s a lot of words. None of them address any of the quotes that were provided.
I could provide more, but what’s the point? You will clearly try to pretend they don’t exist.
Because you are, as they say, a bitch.
I could provide more, but what’s the point? You will clearly try to pretend they don’t exist.
Because you are, as they say, a bitch.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:21 pm to Open Your Eyes
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I could provide more, but what’s the point?
exactly, there would be no point because you cant find anything contradictory. you just post something and nothing contradictory. it don't work bro.
next time just address the essence of the claims made and not try to play gotcha games you will lose. if you disagree, just say so, don't try to play a little gotcha game where I make you look like a bitch, challenge you and then watch you fail.
so anyways, I think its possible McMahon is a good coach, has been underfunded, and they have hired super dupe dupree to excite donors. and maybe he can. sure hope so. so far I think the new roster looks decent.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:26 pm to jamarr
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exactly, there would be no point because you cant find anything contradictory.
Quite the contrary.
There are plenty of things contradictory. And I have pointed a couple of them out.
You have chosen, multiple times, to ignore them and hope they disappear.
Why?
Because, as they say,
you are a bitch.
I can’t make you respond to things you are very obviously afraid of responding to.
So instead, I will continue to mock you as you make excuses in your persistent failures to absolve Matt McMahon for being 14-40 in the SEC.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:39 am to Open Your Eyes
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failures to absolve Matt McMahon
huh? you must have misunderstood the posting system here and have my posts confused with someone else. I wish McMahon had just been fired and wade rehired.
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contradictory
quotes or it didn't happen. you cant just post a quote without telling me what it is supposed to contradict.
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can’t make you respond to things
that's true especially when you accuse me of things and then refuse to quote me doing those things.
quotes or it didn't happen bro.
I think the extreme animosity to McMahon here is interesting and I wonder about the motivation. because I don't even really support McMahon I just say its possible the team could improve. this sets your guys off and the personal insults and the "you are contradicting yourself hypocrite !" accusations start flying.
I think the reason you guys are so irrationally spun up about this is not just that you want wins and enjoy basketball, but you have overestimated your own ability to analyze and critique. you want to think of yourselves as sophisticated critics.
and this drives you crazy such that a person like me who is an optimistic fan send you into a frenzy of misrepresentation.
but that's ok, the fact remains that the way it works its "quotes or it didn't happen", so you cant actually show what I was inconsistent about anything. in fact I should be recognized by the consistency authorities for perfection in the field.
seems to me the bigger budget story may have been true, and now McMahon can afford a little more talent. that's great.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:17 am to jamarr
Is there news about any other transfers for the Tigers?
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