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re: Houston Bates Commits.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:31 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:31 pm to tigerfoot
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After watching a bunch of poorly coached highly touted players mail it in at the end of last year. I am not going to mind an all out effort from a few tweeners.
How about good coaching and talented players?
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Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:39 pm to Cash
the vanilla warriors would have lead Malleveto to the MNC last year
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:42 pm to Maximus
It's amazing BYU hasn't been the team of the decade.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:49 pm to Cash
DE Houston Bates
NT Josh Williford
DE Fordham
OLB Luke Muncie
ILB Kellen Theriot
ILB DJ Welter
OLB Kyle Prater
SS Josh Johns
FS Rocky D
CB Daniel Graff
CB Derek Helton
TITLE!
NT Josh Williford
DE Fordham
OLB Luke Muncie
ILB Kellen Theriot
ILB DJ Welter
OLB Kyle Prater
SS Josh Johns
FS Rocky D
CB Daniel Graff
CB Derek Helton
TITLE!
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:52 pm to Maximus
There's going to be some blood baths over the next few years for #18.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 11:00 pm to Cash
Just watch it go to Michael Ford or Rueben Randle 
That's an impressive list of game mangers with intangibles and high football IQs, Maximus.
That's an impressive list of game mangers with intangibles and high football IQs, Maximus.
This post was edited on 6/17/09 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 6/17/09 at 11:14 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
After watching a bunch of poorly coached highly touted players mail it in at the end of last year. I am not going to mind an all out effort from a few tweeners.
how highly-touted were curtis taylor and harry coleman?
Posted on 6/17/09 at 11:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Dont remember Taylor, but Coleman was a 3 star on one service and a 2 star on the other...both as a LB.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 11:52 pm to lynxcat
pretty sure curtis was a 3 star at best
Posted on 6/18/09 at 12:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Curtis Taylor was a 5.5 3-star and the number 16 recruit in LA. Harry Coleman was also a 5.5 3-star and the number 21 recruit in LA. Danny McCray was a 5.7 3-star from Texas.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 1:20 am to Keys Open Doors
Lynx and the rest of you recruiting geniuses get my recommendation to take coach DY's spot as recruiting coordinator because it's clearly obvious that Les Miles and his staff are completely incompetent at evaluating talent according to you brainiacs. Give a rest. These guys haven't even step foot on the feild for their senior year and yall already write them off as non-contributors? Weak-arse jive turkeys. Prater is a friggin RS freshman, But he has no shot at seeing the feild besides special teams during his career? come on man, get over yourselves.Posted on 6/18/09 at 1:41 am to LSUBoneDoc
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Lynx and the rest of you recruiting geniuses get my recommendation to take coach DY's spot as recruiting coordinator because it's clearly obvious that Les Miles and his staff are completely incompetent at evaluating talent according to you brainiacs
I don't think we ever said that. Miles and staff are still human and they do make mistakes. I along with many others, feel as though this is one (at this point in the recruiting season).
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Prater is a friggin RS freshman, But he has no shot at seeing the feild besides special teams during his career? come on man, get over yourselves.
Who do you see Prater playing over in the coming years? He definitely won't play this year. He isn't going to play ahead of either Minter or Justin Maclin. You have K. Sheppard, Ryan Baker, DJ Welter, Luke Muncie, Kellen Theriot (I think that is everyone remaining)...which of those will he start ahead of? This all assumes that LSU doesn't take another stud OLB in 2011 that could jump Prater on the depth chart.
Use some logic, follow recruiting enough and you will learn that not every player ends up being a star, much less a starter. Lately, we have only kept around 60-70% of the classes that have signed--that includes guys that never really contribute.
So call me what you wish, but I'll consider myself a realist. LSU is elite now and only the very best ever step on the field outside of special teams.
Judging a highschool players talents is what recruiting is about. If you don't like it, then don't come to this board--Wait until Saturday to learn about them.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 1:49 am to LSUBoneDoc
quote:
it's clearly obvious that Les Miles and his staff are completely incompetent at evaluating talent according to you brainiacs
No one is saying that and most people are very happy with at least 12/15 players. Only someone with an agenda would intentionally misconstrue that and claim that the entire staff is being criticized for having no ability at evaluating talent. I don't think I have read a single negative thing about Ron Cooper, Studrawa, or Larry Porter in 6 months on this board. However, this portion of Lynxcat's post:
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There is no reason LSU has to take multiple "Jacob Hesters" each year. For every ONE JH in the entire country, there are thousands that are below average D1 players. "Heart" only gets you so far--there are 100s of kids in LA with the HEART to play at LSU, but Ill take the elite athlete with desire than the marginal take that has always dreamed about playing for a team.
is the one of the best and most concise rebuttals against argument in favor of a "team full of 2 and 3-star athletes who bleed purple and gold".
There are always late bloomers or players from poorly scouted regions who pan out (i.e. Tyson Jackson), but their talent is what makes these players superstars. 75% of the players on this team have the necessary drive, but no team has that level of talent.
Regardless of any of this, if 12/25 players in a recruiting class pan out, then that class is an overwhelming success, so there are obviously going to be lots of disappointments in a given class.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 2:00 am to Keys Open Doors
FWIW, I think the biggest question about his recruitment is not his talent level, but where he is going to fit on the field. This is a class that already has 3 linebackers and the staff definitely seems to like Nelson or Lewis at OLB. Additionally, the class already has a fullback (in addition to Allen, who is just a year older), and Bates is only 220 pounds right now, so he definitely doesn't seem like a natural fit at defensive end either.
Then again, he did very well at a recent combine, so maybe the staff thinks they can find him a position.
This is the same reason why I don't understand the Sam Gibson commitment, but the Fordham pick-up makes more sense.
Then again, he did very well at a recent combine, so maybe the staff thinks they can find him a position.
This is the same reason why I don't understand the Sam Gibson commitment, but the Fordham pick-up makes more sense.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 6:36 am to Lee Chatelain
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HOW GOOD IS THIS KID? Where's he going to play?
I think Miles knows that, so I'm not worried about it. When Miles gets a first hand look at a kid at camp and then signs him, that's a good bet, regardless of stars.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 7:31 am to lynxcat
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Exactly, it's going to be a hell of a fight between Bates, Luke Muncie, and DJ Welter for the kickoff team. That's if they can beat out Kyle Prater, Kellen Theriot, Josh Johns and Rocky.
. Unfortunately it's pretty true...
and you flute players know more than the coaches?
did any of ya'll ever play 4 yrs of hs football?
Posted on 6/18/09 at 7:35 am to Cash
quote:
Bates chose LSU over scholarship offers from Colorado, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU and Florida International. He also received interest from Ole Miss and Arkansas.
quote:To be honest, I'm not impressed either. But what do I know?
Maximus loves this pick up.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 10:40 am to Tiger_n_ATL
The kid runs a 4.7 as a Junior, is already 220 lbs. with a motor and desire. I say lets see what he does his senior year before you judge the kid. Sounds like a stud to me and besides you can't fill a team with 5 star kids, it just doesn't happen.
I am happy with the signing. Good luck Houston, Go Tigers
I am happy with the signing. Good luck Houston, Go Tigers
Posted on 6/18/09 at 11:07 am to Foul Canal
Les and co are a baffling group. They get the recruiting train rolling with some high profile guys with a great June camp. You have another set of high profile guys coming in July, why not wait it out and evaluate the next group of guys.
Posted on 6/18/09 at 11:17 am to Foul Canal
quote:sounds like a great pick up, glad LSU locked him up so early
I spoke to his D-Line coach, who said he was borderline SEC talent. Im sure his coach is as shocked as anyone.
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