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re: Hill incident videotaped?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:34 pm to Tiger Phanatick
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:34 pm to Tiger Phanatick
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So its okay for a 14 year old girl to do whatever she wants with a 14/15/16 year olf boy but if she does thsi with a 18 year old she was to naive to know and he should be punished.
No one says that's ok. They are just saying that the boy in this instance may also not be old enough to make an adult decision and should not be punished for it. There's a massive difference there. No one is saying that 14 y/o's should be sexually active with each other.
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Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i fail to see the disruption in a 14 year old consensually and without coercion blowing an 18 year old
What if the 14 year old gets AIDS because of it? It that disruptive enough to punish?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:34 pm to Cussian
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You might as well build a separate school for every grade level then.
you're the one pushing this wide gap in a 14 and 18 year old
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:35 pm to Cussian
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You might as well build a separate school for every grade level then. You gonna pay for this?
I fail to see why one would have to build a school for every grade. You just did a very acrobatic maneuvar to get to your conclusion.
Its not difficult to see what I am trying to say here. Please try again.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're the one pushing this wide gap in a 14 and 18 year old
There is a big gap between 14 and 18 years old.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:36 pm to Jon1798
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There is a big gap between 14 and 18 years old.
you must have forgotten high school
hell it was tradition at barbe for juniors and seniors to frick the freshmen girls
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:37 pm to Jon1798
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No one says that's ok. They are just saying that the boy in this instance may also not be old enough to make an adult decision and should not be punished for it.
By the age of 18, most people have the reasoning ability to know the consequences of their actions, and know that they can trick or coerce a 14 year old into doing them. The laws also protect retarded adults who commit crimes (mitigating sentences) for this reason. JH is not retarded. He knew he was doing wrong and it was against the law. If not, shame on him.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:37 pm to kgcTigerFan
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horseshite! This 14 year old girl didn't get these 18 year old boys in trouble.
I agree, did you not read that I said these kids knew they could get in trouble messing with a 14 yr old and they made a choice to do it?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:37 pm to Jon1798
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No one says that's ok. They are just saying that the boy in this instance may also not be old enough to make an adult decision and should not be punished for it. There's a massive difference there. No one is saying that 14 y/o's should be sexually active with each other.
Are you aware of at what age your decision making ability is fully mature? Hint: Way after 18 my friend.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
yeah, society fixed that problem after a while too.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:40 pm to Cussian
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By the age of 18, most people have the reasoning ability to know the consequences of their actions,
Cmon man, you, me, and everyone else is quite aware that the decision making abilities of 18 yos is still quite raw.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is it really so much to ask that 18 y/o's not have sex with 14 y/o's? Is it a given fact that if they have class in the same building, then the 18 y/o has to have sex with a 14 y/o child? Do we now have to keep the teachers in different buildings as well?
This is really really cut and dry. There is a law, JHill knows it, JHill broke it, now he has to pay the consequences. And the law is there for good reason, even if you think it's too stringent in some cases. It's there for a reason. If you think it's ok to sleep with 14 y/o's, then there's no real discussion that's going to take place beyond that.
This is really really cut and dry. There is a law, JHill knows it, JHill broke it, now he has to pay the consequences. And the law is there for good reason, even if you think it's too stringent in some cases. It's there for a reason. If you think it's ok to sleep with 14 y/o's, then there's no real discussion that's going to take place beyond that.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:41 pm to LSUthrilla
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Cmon man, you, me, and everyone else is quite aware that the decision making abilities of 18 yos is still quite raw.
And are still light years ahead of a 14 year olds. Are you telling me, you think JH had no idea he was doing anything wrong or against the law?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:41 pm to Jon1798
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Is it really so much to ask that 18 y/o's not have sex with 14 y/o's?
if you want to make it a light misdemeanor i don't think many would argue
this is a felony with sexual registration mandatory
do you think he's a sexual predator?
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If you think it's ok to sleep with 14 y/o's,
who, in your opinion, is NOT allowed to sleep with 14 year olds?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:42 pm to Jon1798
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This is really really cut and dry. There is a law, JHill knows it, JHill broke it, now he has to pay the consequences.
No one is arguing with you here. Everyone is well aware that he is guilty of the crime. The discussion is that the law should allow for more flexibility in these things.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:44 pm to LSUthrilla
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The discussion is that the law should allow for more flexibility in these things.
And no one is arguing that either. Problem is were dealing with lawyers and prosecuters here. If you make a law too ambiguous, you give the real criminals a way out. Its a hard line to toe.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:46 pm to Cussian
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And are still light years ahead of a 14 year olds. Are you telling me, you think JH had no idea he was doing anything wrong or against the law?
Lightyears?!? Hardly....
I am telling you that JH most probably didnt contemplate any laws before getting a BJ. You have two kids with raging hormones that have oral sex. That is what happened. If the girl was a couple months older we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Do you believe that in a couple months the girl is magically making good decisions and wouldnt have blew JH and his friend?
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
If the article replaced 14 with "9th grader" and 18 with "12th grader/senior"
People wouldnt be debating the morality of this whole thing nearly as much (on here) IMO.
People wouldnt be debating the morality of this whole thing nearly as much (on here) IMO.
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:47 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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If the article replaced 14 with "9th grader" and 18 with "12th grader/senior"
People wouldnt be debating the morality of this whole thing nearly as much (on here) IMO.
BINGO
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:48 pm to Cussian
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If you make a law too ambiguous, you give the real criminals a way out.
actually it's the opposite
if you make it too ambiguous, then people who don't realize they're breaking the law do, and bitch about it
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