re: Has LSU dropped the Redemptorist RB charged with rape?

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He got a blow job from a 14 year old and he is 18. The only question is if it was forced ( which he hasn't been charged with as of yet). If it wasn't forced, jail time would be a travesty.

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I totally disagree. There are many reasons why he should be punished.

The obvious reasons are that she is only 14 years old. She's not old enough to consent. He's 18. That's pretty cut and dry and on its own, it's bad enough to be punished.

But, if you want to evaluate further, it gets worse. You keep trying to minimize the situation and equate it to a guy dating a freshman who gave him a blowjob.

The real facts are that this was a case between a young girl and TWO GUYS. That very much aggravates the situation and indicates that this is not a "normal" situation.

Furthermore, it was done in the locker room at school. Again, not an act that occurs under normal circumstances.

Plus, Jeremy Hill is the big man on campus. He's not a geek who dates a freshman because he can't get a date. The freshman is likely involved because she is easy to manipulate.

And, finally, not only did he engage in sexual activity with a 14 year old, but apparently he taped it as well.

So, it is a situation where he convinced a young girl to perform oral sex on two guys at once, one being the most popular in school, at school, in the boys locker room, while being video taped.

I'd say this is exactly the type of situation that the laws we are talking about are meant to protect against.

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I'd say this is exactly the type of situation that the laws we are talking about are meant to protect against.

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It certainly is but if I remember correctly from reading the statute yesterday, jail time isn't mandatory for this particular charge against him.

Furthermore, let's not play like the girl is necessarily a victim. She did go into a locker room, apparently willingly, and blow two guys. If I were her parents she'd be the one facing a LONNNNNG punishment.

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Furthermore, it was done in the locker room at school. Again, not an act that occurs under normal circumstances.

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Something that is punishable by the high school and not the courts.

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The real facts are that this was a case between a young girl and TWO GUYS. That very much aggravates the situation and indicates that this is not a "normal" situation.

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You and I know that high school girls will do some crazy shite to get noticed.

All I mean is, to say this guy should go to prison if he didn't force her physically or verbally is crazy to me. You will literally ensure this guy never becomes anything in life when he has a pretty promising future. I don't see this as necessary when there are forms of punishment that will suffice.

half the people talking about the legal aspect really have zero clue about what they are talking about and they could easily read the law if they wanted to take the time to form an educated opinion.

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Hell, there are plenty of people like yourself who don't understand it.

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I clearly understand that what he did was both stupid and wrong. That said, by sending him to prison you're ensuring another person slips through the cracks and will be a drain on society when he can face a different punishment that will still give him a chance at life so you and I don't have to pay for him to live on welfare for the rest of his life. I love the personal dig though against someone who doesn't agree with your disposition on the subject.

VERY LONG. Part 1 BTW all of this is public information.
(24)(a) "Sex offense" means deferred adjudication, adjudication withheld, or conviction for the perpetration or attempted perpetration of or conspiracy to commit human trafficking when prosecuted under the provisions of R.S. 14:46.2(B)(2) or (3), R.S. 14:46.3 (trafficking of children for sexual purposes), R.S. 14:78 (incest), R.S. 14:78.1 (aggravated incest), R.S. 14:89 (crime against nature), R.S. 14:89.1 (aggravated crime against nature), R.S. 14:80 (felony carnal knowledge of a juvenile), R.S. 14:81 (indecent behavior with juveniles), R.S.14:81.1 (pornography involving juveniles), R.S. 14:81.2 (molestation of a juvenile), R.S. 14:81.3 (computer-aided solicitation of a minor), R.S. 14:81.4 (prohibited sexual conduct between an educator and student), R.S. 14:92(A)(7) (contributing to the delinquency of juveniles), R.S. 14:93.5 (sexual battery of the infirm), R.S. 14:106(A)(5) (obscenity by solicitation of a person under the age of seventeen), R.S. 14:283 (video voyeurism), R.S. 14:41 (rape), R.S. 14:42 (aggravated rape), R.S. 14:42.1 (forcible rape), R.S. 14:43 (simple rape), R.S. 14:43.1 (sexual battery), R.S. 14:43.2 (second degree sexual battery), R.S. 14:43.3 (oral sexual battery), R.S. 14:43.5 (intentional exposure to AIDS virus), or a second or subsequent conviction of R.S. 14:283.1 (voyeurism), committed on or after June 18, 1992, or committed prior to June 18, 1992, if the person, as a result of the offense, is under the custody of the Department of Public Safety and Corrections on or after June 18, 1992. A conviction for any offense provided in this definition includes a conviction for the offense under the laws of another state, or military, territorial, foreign, tribal, or federal law which is equivalent to an offense provided for in this Chapter, unless the tribal court or foreign conviction was not obtained with sufficient safeguards for fundamental fairness and due process for the accused as provided by the federal guidelines adopted pursuant to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.
(b) For purposes of this Chapter, "sex offense" shall include deferred adjudication, adjudication withheld, or conviction for the perpetration or attempted perpetration of or conspiracy to commit aggravated oral sexual battery (formerly R.S. 14:43.4, Repealed by Acts 2001, No. 301, §2) occurring prior to August 15, 2001.
(25) "Sexual offense against a victim who is a minor" means a conviction for the perpetration or attempted perpetration of, or conspiracy to commit, any of the following:
(a) Sexual battery (R.S. 14:43.1) when the victim is under the age of eighteen, except when prosecuted under the provisions of R.S. 14:43.1(C)(2).
(b) Oral sexual battery (R.S. 14:43.3).(c) Human trafficking when prosecuted under the provisions of R.S. 14:46.2(B)(3).
(d) Aggravated incest (R.S. 14:78.1) under the circumstances not listed as those which constitute an "aggravated offense" as defined in this Section.
(e) Pornography involving juveniles (R.S. 14:81.1).
(f) Molestation of a juvenile (R.S. 14:81.2), except when prosecuted under the provisions of R.S. 14:81.2(E)(1).
(g) Computer-aided solicitation of a minor (R.S. 14:81.3).
(h) Prostitution; persons under seventeen (R.S. 14:82.1).
(i) Enticing minors into prostitution (R.S. 14:86).
(j) Pandering in violation of R.S. 14:84(1), (3), (5), and (6).
(k) Aggravated crime against nature (R.S. 14:89.1).
(l) Any conviction for an offense under the laws of another state, or military, territorial, foreign, tribal, or federal law which is equivalent to the offenses listed in Subparagraphs (a) through (k) of this Paragraph.

§43.3. Oral sexual battery
A. Oral sexual battery is the intentional engaging in any of the following acts with another person, who is not the spouse of the offender when the other person has not yet attained fifteen years of age and is at least three years younger than the offender:
(1) The touching of the anus or genitals of the victim by the offender using the mouth or tongue of the offender; or
(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using the mouth or tongue of the victim.
B. Lack of knowledge of the victim's age shall not be a defense.
C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery shall be punished by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, for not more than ten years.
(2) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery on a victim under the age of thirteen years when the offender is seventeen years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labor for not less than twenty-five years nor more than ninety-nine years. At least twenty-five years of the sentence imposed shall be served without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(3) Upon completion of the term of imprisonment imposed in accordance with Paragraph (2) of this Subsection, the offender shall be monitored by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections through the use of electronic monitoring equipment for the remainder of his natural life.
(4) Unless it is determined by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections, pursuant to rules adopted in accordance with the provisions of this Subsection, that a sexual offender is unable to pay all or any portion of such costs, each sexual offender to be electronically monitored shall pay the cost of such monitoring.
(5) The costs attributable to the electronic monitoring of an offender who has been determined unable to pay shall be borne by the department if, and only to the degree that sufficient funds are made available for such purpose whether by appropriation of state funds or from any other source.
(6) The Department of Public Safety and Corrections shall develop, adopt, and promulgate rules in the manner provided in the Administrative Procedure Act, that provide for the payment of such costs. Such rules shall contain specific guidelines which shall be used to determine the ability of the offender to pay the required costs and shall establish the reasonable costs to be charged. Such rules may provide for a sliding scale of payment so that an offender who is able to pay a portion, but not all, of such costs may be required to pay such portion.
Acts 1985, No. 287, §1; Acts 1995, No. 946, §2; Acts 2001, No. 301, §1; Acts 2006, No. 103, §1; Acts 2008, No. 33, §1.

Part 2
Art. 571.1. Time limitation for certain sex offenses
Except as provided by Article 572 of this Chapter, the time within which to institute prosecution of the following sex offenses: sexual battery (R.S. 14:43.1), second degree sexual battery (R.S. 14:43.2), oral sexual battery (R.S. 14:43.3), felony carnal knowledge of a juvenile (R.S. 14:80), indecent behavior with juveniles (R.S. 14:81), molestation of a juvenile (R.S. 14:81.2), crime against nature (R.S. 14:89), aggravated crime against nature (R.S. 14:89.1), incest (R.S. 14:78), or aggravated incest (R.S. 14:78.1) which involves a victim under seventeen years of age, regardless of whether the crime involves force, serious physical injury, death, or is punishable by imprisonment at hard labor shall be thirty years. This thirty-year period begins to run when the victim attains the age of eighteen.
Acts 1993, No. 592, §1, eff. June 15, 1993; Acts 2001, No. 207, §1; Acts 2001, No. 533, §1; Acts 2003, No. 809, §1, eff. July 1, 2003; Acts 2004, No. 676, §3; Acts 2005, No. 186, §1.


8. Aggravated Rape:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted aggravated rape.
Guilty of forcible rape.
Guilty of attempted forcible rape.
Guilty of sexual battery.
Guilty of simple rape.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Guilty of oral sexual battery.
Not guilty.
8.1. Aggravated rape of a child under the age of thirteen:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted aggravated rape.
Guilty of forcible rape.
Guilty of attempted forcible rape.
Guilty of simple rape.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Guilty of sexual battery.
Guilty of molestation of a juvenile.
Guilty of attempted molestation of a juvenile.
Guilty of indecent behavior with a juvenile.
Guilty of attempted indecent behavior with a juvenile.
Not guilty.
9. Attempted Aggravated Rape:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted forcible rape.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Not guilty.
10. Forcible Rape:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted forcible rape.
Guilty of simple rape.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Guilty of sexual battery.
Not guilty.
11. Attempted Forcible Rape:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Not guilty.
12. Simple Rape:
Guilty.
Guilty of attempted simple rape.
Guilty of sexual battery.
Not guilty.
13. Attempted Simple Rape:
Guilty.
Not guilty.

This is why it is probably not carnal knowledge with a Juvenile (the age difference is >4 years since he is likely closer to 19 from what I understand.)

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I clearly understand that what he did was both stupid and wrong. ... I love the personal dig though against someone who doesn't agree with your disposition on the subject.

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Personal Dig? I said you don't understand how wrong what he did was.

These are YOUR posts in THIS THREAD...

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he got blown by a girl in his HS. Bum rap IMO

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So then it comes down to the fact that he got a BJ from some skank. Who gives a frick if she wasn't forced? They are schoolmates in the same social circles...

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fact. its also the problem with the statute.

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He maybe should not get his scholarship but if he ends up in jail then a travesty will have occurred

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I think jail is kind of a harsh penalty for getting a blow job

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Furthermore, let's not play like the girl is necessarily a victim. She did go into a locker room, apparently willingly, and blow two guys.

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You and I know that high school girls will do some crazy shite to get noticed.

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All I mean is, to say this guy should go to prison if he didn't force her physically or verbally is crazy to me.

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So, in this very thread, you
a.) equated this situation to a simple blow job
b.) called the victim a skank
c.) declared it ok since they are schoolmates in the "same social circles" (which is in itself a bit crazy)
d.) blamed the law as being the problem
e.) declared it a travesty if he ends up with any jail time
f.) indicated that the 14 year old child is not a victim
g.) blamed the situation on her for being a high school girl who is willing to do crazy shite to get notices.
h.) finished it off by calling jail time for Jeremy Hill crazy.

Based on your own words, I'm 100% confident that you do not recognize how wrong Jeremy Hill's actions were.

Furthermore, your rehabilitation stance is ridiculous. A little bit of jail time won't necessarily destroy Jeremy Hill. I don't accept your assumption that Jeremy Hill will be a waste and on welfare if he gets some jail time on this. But, while I certainly won't enjoy spending my taxmoney on a waste as you describe, I damn well would prefer it over letting someone guilty of a sexual crime against a 14 year old walk free without punishment and running the risk of having it happen again.

You may not like this, but your stance on this subject says A LOT about the type of person you are.

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when i was a senior stuff like this went down ALL the TIME

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give an example

when i was a senior stuff like this went down ALL the TIME
were you 19 or nearly 19 and a year behind in school?
Were the girls 14?
Stuff went down when I was in school as well, BUT it didn't mean it was right.
Hell we smoked weed on the bus in the afternoons home from school!
Screwed in the dugout, etc.
NONE of that was right and if we got caught we KNEW the consequences.

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I clearly understand that what he did was both stupid and wrong. That said, by sending him to prison you're ensuring another person slips through the cracks and will be a drain on society when he can face a different punishment that will still give him a chance at life so you and I don't have to pay for him to live on welfare for the rest of his life. I love the personal dig though against someone who doesn't agree with your disposition on the subject.

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This seems to be a clear difference in principles. You seem to think jail is for rehabilitation and I see it as retributution.