re: Harold Joiner

6 feet I think

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As much as I hate to say it, hes like a Derrick Henry. Just weighs less and is faster. At least it looks that way from his tapes.

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I feel like I am watching different film than everyone else. Anytime someone disagrees with the status quo, they get downvotes. This guy has great hands, above average vision, good/decent speed, but when watching his highlights he almost always goes down after first contact, even with guys much smaller than him.

Take Guice/Williams/Fournette - totally different players, but one thing they all have in common is that they pick up YAC. That is one of the most important parts of playing RB is being able to churn your legs, create a low center of gravity and fight for yards after contact.

Joiner does great moving through holes, and in open space - which makes him very viable for 3rd down scat option or wildcat RB, but there is no way he is your every down type back. He just doesnt have the low center of gravity or leg type to burst through the hole and goes down way too easily. Bookmark my post - if he comes to LSU, I guarantee he does not stay at RB.

That is actually a good thing because Curry is your 1st and 2nd down back, Tae Provens is your 3rd down scat back, and Joiner would make one hell of a WR.

Plus with the crop at RB for '19, it's good to flex Joiner out to WR as to make room for the much more talented pool of players for the RB position in '19.

For those that disagree, go back and watch the film. Really watch it, and try telling me that this guy is physical enough for the RB position between the tackles. Just no way, and its not a bad thing - he is just gonna be a WR in this offense, great on jet sweeps.

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I do not see Joiner as a RB, and the staff may just be selling him that to get him on campus. I think it is only a matter of time before he converts to WR. His lower body is not powerful enough to punch through the line of scrimmage when contact is initiated.

He goes down on first contact way too often, and his height isnt as much an issue as it is his center of gravity. He doesnt have thick thighs or big legs, so his center of gravity is higher. He has soft hands, and seems very solid, so I could see him more in the Josh Reed mold of converting RB to WR.

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I couldn't agree more. I said all of this in the comment section about his in home visit and got blasted.

Not 1 play on his highlight reel shows him running with any power at all.

He reminds me a Derrick Henry as well. I still do not believe Henry was great or is great in the NFL. Heisman running backs should be starters in the NFL. He benefited greatly from a large Oline, one of the best lines in football. His change of direction is bad which means the if he has to stop in the backfield it's usually for a loss of yards because he can't cutback.

Henry was grinder who got 80000 carries and bound to break a couple a game. If HJ can't do that, I don't see the same production. He needs a wide open whole and no defender within 10 yards of him to get his momentum going. If he doesn't mind getting more physical, he could be a closer.

Sidenote: Curry reminds me a lot of a cross between Ware and Beast Mode the way he runs. Not a burner but will get extra yards because he's not fun to tackle.

Let’s just convert him into another Arden Key

Kidding

I couldn't care less what sunshiners pump.....that guy does NOT ANYWHERE close to 4.3. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he's 4.6

We'll see

Joiner and Josh Reed could not be more different, I can't believe this comparison was even made. Joiner would be better as an 3-4 OLB

He could be Derrick Henry type, but I've never liked his running style. It worked for Bama, but DH needs the best lines and massive holes. Other than size he is very average in the skillset department. Little to no vision and slow feet.

HJ seems to get off to a slow start with his feet which is what worries me most besides not breaking tackles and running straight up. I believe he can fix most things. The letting smaller players force you out of bounds for yard losses or tackle you by themselves is a little troubling. I watched his film and saw what looked to be a 4.65 -4.75 guy. Would love to see better film.

He needs to switch positions. You're on crack if you think he runs a 4.3-4.4. He doesn't look fast on film at all. He also doesn't run to his size. Curry looks like a WAAAY better RB. I would not be shocked to see Joiner moved to LB or something like that. He's not fast enough to play WR...honestly, I think he's really overrated. I'm not sure where he'd place on this team. I don't see why he's rated so highly. He's not fast, nothing flashy about him and he runs soft for such a big RB. He actually kinda reminds me of Darrel Williams only not as good. DW has been solid at LSU but that's about it.

I think the only reason Joiner is rated so high is because he probably has been evaluated more than a guy like Curry. Joiner is a good athlete but I just don't see how he'd make it at RB here. If he ran with more conviction for his size it would be understandable but someone as tall as him running soft is not going to last long.

Darrel Williams seems like a good comparison to him for me because there are plenty of moments where he looks really slow hitting the holes or for some bizarre reason it's like he hits a brick wall with no push. Then DW will come right back and look really good on the next play. It's a consistency problem. Joiner looks that way on film and I just don't see what makes him a special RB. He has size but if you aren't already mean you'll never learn it. IMO of course.