re: Harold Joiner - Where's the love?

Joiner looks meh to me. He's big, similar to how Jalen Hurd was, but doesn't have the power.

Who cares about him being rated higher? Soso Jamabo was rated as a 5 star and the #2 RB in 2015. He was coveted by all the big name schools outside of LSU (because we had guys like Guice and Brossette). He hasn't done shite at UCLA.

LSU doesn't need two true RBs. With Curry and Brossette, you have two true RBs. With Helaire you have a very underrated starter who is built like MJD that has tons of strength. Provens is a change of pace back.

We need to look towards 2019 for the future stars.

I agree with Bert and boodro. I've stated in every one of these threads the same thing. People want him to be what he has not shown. I'd take any back already on roster and nearly any other back in Louisiana/MS this year first. For a back with those measurables, there are new long runs, no yards after contact, lack of broken tackles, and no speed based on the film I've seen. Could be wrong, but my eyes are telling me his offer from Bama in not commitable offer. He needs a ton of work including more strength and conditioning that any other back we've had.

I just don't see the film matching the ranking. Maybe he's holding back on the field on the film I've seen, but I would not want to kick out any of the other targets to take him this year.

Hell Pooka made more people miss and broke more tackles. Just not seeing the film match the myth.

Blasphemy! Fournette coming out of high school was once in a decade type of back, can joiner become that in college absolutely but id says 99% chance of being a good back and a 1% chance of being a fournette caliber back, not a knock on him fournette was blessed with borderline super human genetics

Just watched a bunch of highlights.
-Pros: He has great vision, Great balance, one cut runner not too much dancing, always falls forward, strong stiff arm, height helps him find holes
-Cons: Doesn't always cut up field, runs to sideline often, not elite speed(to be expected)

He's a legit 4*. I'll take him all day.

My line of thinking is because he's in Bama he gets more exposure than guys like Curry. On film you don't seen anything special about him. I think he's more of a jumbo athlete than a RB projection. If you watch his film he's not very fast, he doesn't show much physicality for someone as big as him and he's a little soft. I don't see how he ever starts at RB here. If he moved at a different position, sure. He should've been graded an athlete not a RB based on what we see on his film.

I don't see how anyone can watch Curry's film and say Joiner looks better than him. I'm thinking LSU is recruiting Joiner to play elsewhere but just telling him to come play RB to get his signature on paper. They're actually very good to compare to Darrel Williams when you watch how they run. Curry to me looks like he's going to be a better DW while Joiner looks like he's a lesser DW on film. DW was a very solid back for us but he was far from being special. Curry is the one LSU really probably projects to be a meaningful RB for them with Provens being the change of pace guy. Joiner will be a guy they'll figure out his position once he gets on campus even if they're not telling him that.

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I don't see how anyone can watch Curry's film and say Joiner looks better than him

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Joiner is rated higher than Curry by every recruiting service. Joiner has a more impressive offer list from top college programs than Curry.

Evidently people who evaluate talent for a living are looking at their film and rating Joiner higher.

Sure, the experts could be wrong, but they are probably better at evaluating film than the posters on here who look at a you tube highlight reel and draw conclusions without doing near the research scouts have done.

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Joiner plays in the highest classification there is in the state of Alabama, in the division with the most eyes on it because it's the division Hoover high plays is. So joiner has had all the exposure he could possible have, all while playing a lot of kids no where near his size/athletic ability.

When I watch his film I'm not blown away at all. I think we can afford to skip signing him and just load up on 2-3 big time backs next year. If chris curry played in the same division as joiner he'd be way higher rated

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This argument seems contradictory.

You argue Joiner gets more exposure playing against kids who have nowhere near his size in a higher classification than Curry. That just means all of Curry’s film is against players smaller and less skilled than Joiner plays against. The fact Joiner looks like a man among boys at the highest classification level in Alabama is exactly the real he is rated so high. That’s not a bad thing.

It’s also not true that playing in a smaller classification in and of itself gets you a lower ranking. Damone Clark plays fior Southern lab, a 1a team, and is higher rated than most all 5a linebackers in the state.

I like Curry. He might end up being better. But we have a lack of depth at running back and the people who evaluate talent for a living have Joiner rated higher. From the film 8 watched Joiner was an extremely smooth runner with very good hips and feet for a big guy.

This reminds of Darrel Williams. He was committed to ASU (I think) but badly wanted LSU. Maybe there was an SEC team in the picture.We got burned by the kid with the knee injury who went to Okie State & we got Williams.
I said at the time Williams was the kind of player that would come back to haunt LSU if we didn't get him. Well, he was arguably the best player on offense this year. I kind of feel that way about Joiner. We've been recruiting the shite out of him but now a screw up with the kicker and a shiny new object comes into play & he's out. If he ends up in the SEC Joiner will come back to haunt us.