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re: Gavin Cecchini to Ole Miss
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:10 pm to ColonelReb
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:10 pm to ColonelReb
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That's a bunch of BS. LSU recruits and signs players that go pro every year. Do you think he gets fooled multiple times every year? You're talking about becoming a millionaire. Again has Manieri ever pulled someone's scholarship and caused a transfer? Of course he has.
Guess what. It happens to every school. Get over it.
uh, dumbass, i'm not the one who's butt hurt because a coach discontinued recruiting me. i think it's your new commit and his family that hasn't gotten over it! what is good for goose is good for gander. he played his card then p.m. played his. the difference, p.m. told them up front.
i just don't think p.m. is wrong in how he handled it.
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Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:12 pm to ProjectP2294
I can see being pissed if a guy gives you a # and if not met he'll be on campus, and then bolts for much lower offer. You were essentially used for leverage and I'd be ticked. I don't blame the kids, but they should understand its kind of uncool.
now I think PM is being a dick about black balling and entire program over it. None of the upcoming kids had anything to do with this shite
now I think PM is being a dick about black balling and entire program over it. None of the upcoming kids had anything to do with this shite
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:13 pm to ProjectP2294
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To tell a family that the younger kids offer is only valid if the older brother signs for x amount or higher is a shitty move
If he did, it is. That is a different debate. The fact that the family continued to 'negotiate' makes it even more transparent they were only leveraging the LSU offer.
But, an upfront shitty move is of much better than a backhanded lie.
This post was edited on 4/11/11 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:16 pm to tigerfoot
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The fact that the family continued to 'negotiate' makes it even more transparent they were only leveraging the LSU offer.
No, the fact that they continued to negotiate shows that they aren't dumb. The Red Sox were offering over a million dollars, it would have been insane for them to just cut off talks altogether.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:18 pm to Lester Earl
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And what if he would have gotten what he said he wanted and not came to LSU?
All things above would still apply.
wrong, gavin would have a scholarship offer.
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shite, if PM doesn't ask a kid what it would take for him to sign, then he wouldnt be disappointed. Don't pressure the kids. if you are going to, then don't cry when they fold under pressure and dont give you what you want. They are teenagers.
the kid is the one crying, not p.m. And it' disingenuous to think the kid made the decision. his daddy was heavily involved.
i think people are missing the boat, the one crying is the kid. he's throwing p.m. under the bus publicly. And, he's admitting the coach was up front with them. they were the one's did not own up to their end of the bargain.
p.m. isn't out spewing this crap publicly. he's not crying to the media Garin took less money and went pro.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:18 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
gavin is one of the top players in the state as a junior, nice pick up for ole miss
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:19 pm to ProjectP2294
Project, I usually agree with most of your points, but not here. "Fool me once, shame...etc". PM has to recruit the best players available (imagine the Rant if he didn't) and with so few scholarships, you just can't afford to miss. ZVR may have used LSU, but ZL was played it straight (who expected him to get 5+mil, and from the Dodgers).
If we got played again by the younger C., most of the Rant would be on PM's case, esp since the concensus is he's going MLB, anyway.
This way Ole Miss gets left holding nothing.
And maybe we get to use the scholli on a closer or 1B.
If we got played again by the younger C., most of the Rant would be on PM's case, esp since the concensus is he's going MLB, anyway.
This way Ole Miss gets left holding nothing.
And maybe we get to use the scholli on a closer or 1B.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:26 pm to moneyg
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It is a real threat that high school players use LSU as leverage with no intention of going to LSU.
It's really dont see it as a threat at all.
Regardless if he believed Cecchini and the amount they said he would take, he knows there is a probability that he never ends up at LSU.
With that being said, you either cut ties with him before, or you have a back up plan.
that is an absolute must if you recruit kids like this.
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LSU had no choice but to not take the 2nd Ceccini seriously. I understand why they backed off.
stupid decision as well.
a grown man like PM that will hold a grudge is pretty ridiculous. Especially if that kid has legit interest in LSU.
and as stated, the dad is a douche, but i would imagine it will be tough to land Barbe kids in the past.
VonRosenburg and Colvin did the same thing. Is he going to cut ties with their schools too?
ya know Colvin was at freaking orientation at LSU when the Phillies signed him and ZVR got paid 1st round money being a 7th round pick. Cecchini was in a similar spot. He says he wants 1st RD money, and he basically got it. It wasn't the exact amount, but its not like he took 800k. You dangle a million+ in front of a teenager and they are unpredictable.
I remember after the ZVR and Colvin stuff PM said he was mad at the system, not at the kids. Seems with Cechinni it is quite different, and it probably has a lot to do with his dad. Shouldn't take it out on the brother or any other kid at what is probably the best baseball school in the state. It really seems like he is feeling pressure with the whole situation. He needs to man up and treat these kids fairly. He is the 50 year old coach, not the 17 or 18 year old kid.
This post was edited on 4/11/11 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:26 pm to ProjectP2294
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To tell a family that the younger kids offer is only valid if the older brother signs for x amount or higher is a shitty move. If you don't think it's a shitty move, take off your P&G glasses because they're making you dumber.
Thats not how I see it at all. With only 11.7 schollys LSU needed to know the chances of the kid making it on campus. The kid, his family, and who ever was advising them said 1.75 million. Maineri knows MLB people and scouts and knew the odds of him getting that kind of money was low. He made plans for the kid to be on campus. Then at the last minute he takes up to 450 thousand less than he promised LSU it would take him to sign. His little brother may be in the same exact boat next year. Maineri doesnt think he can trust this family. I have no problem with it. The people in this thread who think we should tie up scholarship dollars with the younger brother the next year after this happens are dumbasses.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:27 pm to ProjectP2294
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No, the fact that they continued to negotiate shows that they aren't dumb.
Deceitful is not dumb.
The Red Sox were negotiating based on an offer to go to LSU. An offer that only existed based on a lie by the kid and family.
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it would have been insane for them to just cut off talks altogether.
No one ever insinuated that they do, they only suggest honoring the commitment made. Only fair.
I doubt they hold an LSU offer if they were truthful to needing just over 1 million...and they knew that too. And it probably put about 250k in their pocket.
It is ok to play it that way, but not to pull full bitch mode a little while later.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:28 pm to BilJ
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ow I think PM is being a dick about black balling and entire program over it. None of the upcoming kids had anything to do with this shite
who said he is? i don't think that is the case. he doesn't trust cecchini with good reason. however, cecchini isn't happy and may influence his players not to consider lsu. i don't know of anyone on p.m. staff not interested in barb players. if they express interest, the are good enough, i'm sure lsu recruits them.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:28 pm to Diggerest
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"Fool me once, shame...etc". PM has to recruit the best players available (imagine the Rant if he didn't) and with so few scholarships
I understand the challenges with scholarship limits and expectations. But he seems to throw a fit every year when someone signs with an MLB team for a ridiculous sum of money "unexpectedly". Whether it's pulling a kid's scholarship, or other things I've heard he's done in retaliation for kid signing pro, it's all ego driven and petty. You would think after a while he would stop taking these things personally. The kids aren't out to screw him, they're out to do what's best for themselves.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:31 pm to tigerfoot
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An offer that only existed based on a lie by the kid and family.
The offer existed based on the kid's talent, he didn't lie about about being able to play baseball. And everyone involved in his recruitment knew there was a possibility that he would sign pro.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:33 pm to Lester Earl
to be fair Les you admit the dad is a douche and we're only hearing the cecchini side of things. Don't you think its entirely possible they aren't telling the whole story here?
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:33 pm to dos crystal
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wrong, gavin would have a scholarship offer.
No, he would have went to Boston anyway and LSU would still be without a kid who was considered one of the top prospects in the nation and state.
You have a fricking backup plan. Don't think PM really expected this kid to come to LSU. Not after 30 years of coaching college baseball.
Anyway, do you know the difference of 1.75 mil and 1.31 mil? It's not that much.
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the kid is the one crying, not p.m. And it' disingenuous to think the kid made the decision. his daddy was heavily involved.
Doesnt sound like he is bitching at all.
Sounds like LSU cut off all contact with him, he visited Ole Miss, he committed to Ole Miss, and someone asked him what happened with LSU.
You tell the kid you are going to pull his offer if his brother signed for less money? haha what a joke.
And what no one is talking about, and what this really boils down to, is this kid will NEVER step foot on a college baseball field. Basically committing to Ole Miss knowing he will probably never go there, is really a big "frick you" from Barbe to LSU. Not really a good thing.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:33 pm to ProjectP2294
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And everyone involved in his recruitment knew there was a possibility that he would sign pro.
IF offered 1.75 million. Their number, not anyone elses. Admittedly they came down. Admittedly they were told that if they came down it would have negative impact.
Now, what is the problem.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:36 pm to ProjectP2294
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The kids aren't out to screw him, they're out to do what's best for themselves.
Then just say, "we will do what is best for us".
Not "if X does not happen we will do Y"
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:36 pm to BilJ
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Don't you think its entirely possible they aren't telling the whole story here?
I've heard PM bitch way too much about the draft system and giving kids ultimatums in public to really think they are lying over this.
yeah the dad is an absolute douche. FACT. It's cool to give a FU to the older bro, but at the expense of his brother(and the Barbe program), a totally different person, is bush league.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:37 pm to Lester Earl
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You tell the kid you are going to pull his offer if his brother signed for less money? haha what a joke.
The minute he said that to my kid, I ask him to GTF out of my house.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:38 pm to tigerfoot
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The minute he said that to my kid, I ask him to GTF out of my house.
Then why are you defending him for doing it to Cecchini?
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