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re: Can someone explain why we have 4 RB and only 3 O-line commits?

Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:19 pm to
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Barksdale hated LSU

the rant didn't update his twitter page

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we had issues this year

and we lost our best OL, a guy the young guys couldn't beat out

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and will remedy

yet to be seen

we haven't fired stud, and miles' recruiting record is shoddy PLUS we have to feel the effect of attrition at OL next year (we didn't this year)
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:21 pm to
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but the bottom line is that our eroding offensive line is what has been root cause of this.


and that would be corrected by signing more OL in the 2010 class how exactly?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:21 pm to
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Is it just me, or does it seems absurd that a supposedly top 10 program hasn't been able to recruit a 5-star OL in 5 years,

blame the state of Louisiana

LA doesn't produce many top OL

faulk was close, and collins will be a 5-star next year
Posted by enod01
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:22 pm to
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and we lost our best OL, a guy the young guys couldn't beat out


Isn't funny that these dudes keep forgetting this fact? Supposedly Black was an All-American level player, and we have lost him with the hope that some of these young dudes from our previous unimpressive classes of offensive lineman can step into his shoes. LOL!
This post was edited on 1/17/10 at 1:23 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:23 pm to
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Florida Has 3 5* OL and that is only this WEEK!!!


Fla has only 1 OL signed for this class
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:23 pm to
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The rant also mentioned


Davenport getting a look at OL was in the Advocate's season ending interviews with Les Miles, but I guess you consider him to be a less than credible source.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:27 pm to
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e have lost him with the hope that some of these young dudes from our previous unimpressive classes of offensive lineman can step into his shoes. LOL!


I'm thinking you are just here to flame. You think our previous classes are unimpressive but are upset we are not recruiting more for this 1 class. What makes you think new recruits would fare better under the same staff?
Posted by Ice Cold
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:29 pm to
Just so I'm clear:

1. LSU's O-line is "utter garbage"
2. LSU can't recruit all 5-star OL
3. LSU can't develop the OL it has
4. LSU has about 15 OL on scholarship, plus at least two commits this year and two already next year
4. Ergo, LSU should sign more OL
Posted by CalTiger
California
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:30 pm to
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the rant didn't update his twitter page



There were also enough on the rant who were waving NFL goodbyes to him. I was addressing that issue as well to point out the lack of verifiable facts from the rant.
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and we lost our best OL, a guy the young guys couldn't beat out



If as the rant believes Miles plays seniors - then ciron was playing only because he was senior!

If he was playing because he was the best - hasn't there been enough proof that shows the players improve between the 1st and 2nd years? So where else do we have to go but up? Be it the starters or those in the rotation.
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yet to be seen

we haven't fired stud, and miles' recruiting record is shoddy PLUS we have to feel the effect of attrition at OL next year (we didn't this year)


Except for the underlined part - the rest is your claim for the next year. I feel that the last year was an anomaly and with the younger players taking a major role I don't choose to see the year unfolding that way especially with no hard evidence.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:30 pm to
2. And can you do the math? Our top 3 got hurt. So recruiting 2 leaves us at -1. Running backs take more punishment than any other position player on the team. You also need punt returners and kick off returners. Do you want to use your starting tailback to do this? What about full back? Some of the recruits could grow into that position. People should quit whining about every little thing.
Posted by Ice Cold
Over Macho Grande
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:32 pm to
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People should quit whining about every little thing.
This site would cease to exist.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:34 pm to
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Florida Has 3 5* OL and that is only this WEEK!!!



Fla has only 1 OL signed for this class




I forgot to add that - the pitiable 5 5stars was only for THIS WEEK - their (Bama and Florida) actual target for the NSD is to divvy up the 26 5 stars amongst the Two of them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:34 pm to
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I was addressing that issue as well to point out the lack of verifiable facts from the rant.

yeah well you shouldn't post an example that is 100% verifiable

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I feel that the last year was an anomaly and with the younger players taking a major role

we returned 3 of 5 starters, along with our best OL coming back. we weren't young

unless you're claiming on blind faith that our young, inexperienced, undeveloped, and uncoached (thanks stud) OL will make our OL better
Posted by lsutiger2486
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:36 pm to
The reason Alabama has 2 5* OL is because the recruits were from Alabama. It isn't LSU's fault we haven't had 2 5* in state OL recruits recently.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:36 pm to
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Alabama 2010, 2009, 2008:
5* - 2
4* - 4
3* - 6


and those 2 5-stars are looking more and more like busts...
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

1. LSU's O-line is "utter garbage"
2. LSU can't recruit all 5-star OL
3. LSU can't develop the OL it has
4. LSU has about 15 OL on scholarship, plus at least two commits this year and two already next year
4. Ergo, LSU should sign more OL



Just one clarification about the -"Ergo, LSU should sign more OL" .

The OP would prefer it to be "Ergo , LSU should sign only OLs and that too only 5 star OL in order to make up for the past 5 years"

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
465652 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:42 pm to
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It isn't LSU's fault we haven't had 2 5* in state OL recruits recently.

pretty much

LA doesn't produce a great number of great OL or LBs

we do produce DL who can move to OL, however

we get a lot of our good OL from Texas
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:45 pm to
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yeah well you shouldn't post an example that is 100% verifiable


THE lack of verifiable part was claiming that he was leaving because (the verified part) he posted something online about hating lsu -> I was pointing to that part

(BTW Now that I have explained the logic in it - that example was one amongst three to point out the ranter behavior - don't pick and chose a minor point and miss out on the major core of the discussion. )

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unless you're claiming on blind faith that our young, inexperienced, undeveloped, and uncoached (thanks stud) OL will make our OL better


Blind faith has been the reason here that almost everyone has the presumption to think that they are better than and can outguess and over coach National Champion Title Winning coaches -> I don't think my faith ranks as high as that.

On the one hand we saw that we had the returning Best OL (as you claimed)

On the other hand the returning OL with multiple starters didn't perform to that level (another claim that you and the rant have made in lots of places)

If they truly are good then we should not be doubting the coaches who can recruit and coach them, If they are NOT good then the newer players can only be improvements.

Pick one!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465652 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:47 pm to
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If they truly are good then we should not be doubting the coaches who can recruit and coach them, If they are NOT good then the newer players can only be improvements.

Pick one!

what about if they're not as good and they're not coached/developed well? that means it gets worse
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 1/17/10 at 1:51 pm to
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what about if they're not as good and they're not coached/developed well? that means it gets worse



This is where we get to the area where it is one opinion against another (with no facts to support either)

You can that this is how we will be this year - bad recruits and no coaching.

I can say that because we have new players and new energy that they might(will) be better.

We both cross our fingers and hope that I am correct and LSU wins
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