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re: Biggest Loser in the Collins saga

Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:44 am to
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94368 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:44 am to
Anybody who thinks anything bit the girlfriend is kidding themselves. There's absolutely nothing Collins would get at Alabama that he couldn't get at LSU.
Posted by LoyalTiger
Member since Feb 2007
1498 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:46 am to
Yea, because Saban only got LaRon Landry, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels, Randall Gay, Ryan Clark and Roman Harper to the NFL as DBs.

Miles has Criag Steltz, Chevis Jackson, Patrick Peterson and Chad Jones.

As you can see, Miles is miles ahead of Saban in getting DBs to the next level.

You're right...Collins is the big loser.
Posted by drdrfaulkner
Butler PA
Member since Apr 2007
757 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:49 am to
What would be interesting is to see Bama not win one National Championship with him there. Of course, there is no guaranty about LSU, either.
Posted by LoyalTiger
Member since Feb 2007
1498 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:50 am to
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There's absolutely nothing Collins would get at Alabama that he couldn't get at LSU.


And he could get a much better looking gf...at either place really.
Posted by TheEye
Rightcha.
Member since Dec 2006
4785 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:57 am to
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As you can see, Miles is miles ahead of Saban in getting DBs to the next level.

Miles doesn't coach DB's
Posted by MCrun2
Member since Mar 2004
473 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:57 am to
The biggest loser is his family. Much easier for them to see him play and be around him.

But the advantages for his family if he sticks around and are a player for LSU are countless. Now they don't get to reap those benefits and neither does he if he decides to move back to Louisiana since he just burned all his bridges on a national stage. Don't underestimate this part on the situation.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
10905 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 11:58 am to
I disagree. I don't think he wanted LSU to look bad at all. He said it was a hard decision and they were both great programs. I think he didn't let anyone know for two years because he didn't want to take shite from idiot fans locally for the last two years. Let the kid go where he wants. The meltdown over this one kid just proves he made the right choice in keeping it to himself for the last two years.
Posted by TheEye
Rightcha.
Member since Dec 2006
4785 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:03 pm to
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I think he didn't let anyone know for two years because he didn't want to take shite from idiot fans locally for the last two years

then he wouldn't have done it on National Television.
Posted by mrbeastful
Member since Jan 2009
1436 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:19 pm to
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Yea, because Saban only got LaRon Landry, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels, Randall Gay, Ryan Clark and Roman Harper to the NFL as DBs.



Never coached Harper. Miles coached Landry and Daniels just as long as Saban did.
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
37573 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:30 pm to
I agree that Landon is the biggest loser in this deal. I like him as a player, he's probably a good dude, but I'm afraid he'll be regretting this decision. But, like I've been saying, not a huge loss. Not a position of need, and we clearly can develop safeties well at LSU.
Posted by Random LSU Hero
2014 NFL Survivor Champion (17-0)
Member since Aug 2011
9500 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:31 pm to
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I agree.

He will get piss poor DB coaching from Nick Saban


Who said that?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68325 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:33 pm to
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I knew I'd get that, but what evidence is there that Saban is a good position coach?


He's put at least one defensive back on the All-American team every year since 2008.

This post was edited on 1/6/12 at 12:35 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59004 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:35 pm to
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Now, I am not saying he isnt a good coach, but Coop is right there with him.


Cooper is a superior corner coach.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59004 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:38 pm to
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Not a position of need, and we clearly can develop safeties well at LSU.


I am not 100% sold that Chief would see him as a Safety in his packages. If he beefs up at all, he may be a LB in the Chavis mold. I am not privvy to ANY info, but I could see that as an issue that would make LSU not a real good fit for LSU. Just speculating.
Posted by Frankie Knuckles
Member since Jul 2010
2807 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:38 pm to
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but Saban has this perceived notion about that he is unbelievable DB coach
While at LSU:

Ryan Clark
Randall Gay
Corey Webster
Laron Landry
Travis Daniels
Posted by whodidthat
Member since Aug 2011
5896 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:44 pm to
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Yea, because Saban only got LaRon Landry, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels, Randall Gay, Ryan Clark and Roman Harper to the NFL as DBs.


Landry was a freak since the first day he stepped on campus. Ryan Clark wasn't recruited by Saban and was a beast before Saban got there. Harper never played under Saban at all.

How about Mo, Mathieu, Reid, Simon- who are all potential 1st round picks
Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
5742 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:45 pm to
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Yea, because Saban only got LaRon Landry, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels, Randall Gay, Ryan Clark and Roman Harper to the NFL as DBs.


Drop Roman Harper and add Javier Arenas.

Arenas is Sabans most impressive coaching job imo since he's been at Bama. He took an undersized, unrecruited, return specialist and made him a stud starting cb on an undefeated national championship team, and he's picking off balls in the NFL right now.

Saban can coach the hell out of DB's.

So can Coach Cooper.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5440 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:45 pm to
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most tigers fans are, so yeah, he won't be welcomed.



No, most tigers fans aren't. Most are focusing on the teams we have and the players we are going after rather than dwelling on the few that we missed out on. Those are called idiots, not fans.
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:49 pm to
let's move on past this kid.
Posted by whodidthat
Member since Aug 2011
5896 posts
Posted on 1/6/12 at 12:51 pm to
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Arenas is Sabans most impressive coaching job imo since he's been at Bama. He took an undersized, unrecruited, return specialist and made him a stud starting cb on an undefeated national championship team, and he's picking off balls in the NFL right now.



Arenas was a great college player, but in the pros he's just a solid contributor on defense, not the playmaker he was at Bama. You're also forgetting Kareem Jackson who has been inconsistent the whole time and the Texans even considered cutting him since nobody wanted to trade for him.

Saban coaches players to fit his zone blitzing schemes. Doesn't do as good of a job at coaching man to man coverage.
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