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re: 2017 RMD: In The Books!
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:28 am to GaytorHater703
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:28 am to GaytorHater703

Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:47 am to GaytorHater703
Seth Stewart, RT, LSU

Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:12 pm to GaytorHater703
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draft some guards and a center like everyone else.......if they are listed at either position on any one of Scout, 247, ESPN, or Rivals then that's all good in my book
I'm on the fence on this one. I don't like drafting guys way out of position but to also try and guess where an OL is going to actually end up playing is an exercise in futility.
All 4 of my guys have upside at OT, but Caleb Chandler is officially listed as an OG on Scout, and K'Rojhn Calbert is listed as an OT/DT due to insufficient playing time more than anything else. Ryan Nelson is an undersized OT that has a good chance to get moved inside. So ultimately, only Filiaga is really "locked in" at OT of my 4 so far.
I'll likely be looking for an OG/OC guy for center, but who the hell knows who actually ends up being a Center in college,

Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:20 pm to fibonaccisquared
geauxjl wants a bump.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:11 pm to jembeurt
OBUDan selects:
Darrian Felix, RB, Oregon
His highlight tape is kinda booty, but I think it's because his offense was a poor fit for his skills. He's 5'10, 190ish and one of the most athletic guys in the country. Not sure he has that true breakaway gear, but he's slippery. Not a power back, but I think he can be a terror in space. Committed to Oregon late despite visiting early. I bet Taggart has big plans on him.
Darrian Felix, RB, Oregon

His highlight tape is kinda booty, but I think it's because his offense was a poor fit for his skills. He's 5'10, 190ish and one of the most athletic guys in the country. Not sure he has that true breakaway gear, but he's slippery. Not a power back, but I think he can be a terror in space. Committed to Oregon late despite visiting early. I bet Taggart has big plans on him.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:21 pm to OBUDan
Carter Warren 6'5 315 OT Pitt
1 OT down, one to go
1 OT down, one to go
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:27 pm to joechristoppher77
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Carter Warren 6'5 315 OT Pitt
Good pickup. I'd been eyeing him for a late add OT for a while, but everytime I was going to take an interior guy, they would get picked so I had to go with an OT I had on the board higher.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:30 pm to fibonaccisquared
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but to also try and guess where an OL is going to actually end up playing is an exercise in futility
Couldn't have said it better myself. Go and look at any starting OL and almost every time of the time you'll see guys not playing the position they were listed as in recruiting rankings.
For Michigan this year 4/5 starters on the OL were listed as tackles. I bet for LSU it's similar. No coach looks at OL by position they try and get the 5 best guys provided 1 of them knows how to snap.
The truth is if you actually hit on a player good chance he'll play multiple positions
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:23 pm to fibonaccisquared
In round 21, Team FibonacciSquared selects Matt Sichterman, Offensive Line - Nebraska.
Listed as a Tackle on 247, but Guard on Scout and listed in the top 25 Guards/Centers in a separate article, he's almost definitely destined for interior OL status at Nebraska just given their roster breakdown. Most of his more impressive film is on the interior as well. Couple this with a high IQ (both academic and football) and could easily see him having success at Center there as well.
Lean guy and very athletic, shows a lot of hustle/get up the field on running plays but very heads up in pass pro. At 6'5" 270, he's likely going to have to put on some mass to see the field, but it's good timing as most of the starting spots are bringing back the incumbent starter (other than C) and the center spot is going to get inherited by a RSSo this season, good chance that in year 2-3, he's taking a starting spot.


Listed as a Tackle on 247, but Guard on Scout and listed in the top 25 Guards/Centers in a separate article, he's almost definitely destined for interior OL status at Nebraska just given their roster breakdown. Most of his more impressive film is on the interior as well. Couple this with a high IQ (both academic and football) and could easily see him having success at Center there as well.
Lean guy and very athletic, shows a lot of hustle/get up the field on running plays but very heads up in pass pro. At 6'5" 270, he's likely going to have to put on some mass to see the field, but it's good timing as most of the starting spots are bringing back the incumbent starter (other than C) and the center spot is going to get inherited by a RSSo this season, good chance that in year 2-3, he's taking a starting spot.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
It's worth noting, that I don't agree with you in several aspects on this issue (ie. taking guys that will play RB and stashing them at a position they "also played and were recruited at", when the kid was vocal that he was going to X school to play Y position...), but I do think there is wiggle room along the OL... it's not as defined as say LB vs DB. Hell... even at DB, we have guys that could easily be grabbed as a CB or a S... or along the DL/LB corps, who defines whether that DE out of HS is a DE or an OLB... There is gray area here, but to explicitly grab only OTs without any concern for whether they have or might play interior is a little disingenuous as well. In my case, I tried to point out guys that while some services have them listed as OTs, why they very likely will be on the interior at the next level.
If you are grabbing an OC that's outside the top 500+, there is a good chance it's essentially a wasted pick, because in all likelihood that kid will be on a roster with at least 3-4 talented "surplus" OT/OGs that can't take the starting OT job, but are more gifted than the OC recruit and are versatile enough to take the job. Hell, UGA's center this year is very likely going to be Lamont Gaillard, originally recruited as a DT, converted to a guard last year, then getting moved over with Kublanow leaving.
Unfortunately for you, you've got what I call Patriot's syndrome. If the perception is that you've "cheated" once... everything you do is subject to further scrutiny.
If you are grabbing an OC that's outside the top 500+, there is a good chance it's essentially a wasted pick, because in all likelihood that kid will be on a roster with at least 3-4 talented "surplus" OT/OGs that can't take the starting OT job, but are more gifted than the OC recruit and are versatile enough to take the job. Hell, UGA's center this year is very likely going to be Lamont Gaillard, originally recruited as a DT, converted to a guard last year, then getting moved over with Kublanow leaving.
Unfortunately for you, you've got what I call Patriot's syndrome. If the perception is that you've "cheated" once... everything you do is subject to further scrutiny.

Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:01 pm to MasterAbe1
1 of 2 make-up picks.
RB - Malik Davis - Florida
RB - Malik Davis - Florida
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:04 pm to DownByTheBayou
2 of 2 make-up picks
OC - Brian Anderson - UNC
OC - Brian Anderson - UNC
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:07 pm to fibonaccisquared
While I don't have as much heartburn with your OL picks the issue is we all understand that picking a center could result in a more talented guard get slid into his spot....it's the same as you move from guard to tackle as they slide over too if they can't see early PT on the edges...but that's the rules we agree to...if you don't want your center to get caught in the wash then don't pick him #22....use your high pick on a stud like the IMG kid. Again if you can find one site that has them listed at that position or an article from the school he'll that's good enough...but picking all Tackles which tend to be the better OL is like picking all CB in a weak safety class then just saying ahhh who knows where they will play. Either way no players were sniped from me but it's just in poor taste imo.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:35 pm to fibonaccisquared
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It's worth noting, that I don't agree with you in several aspects on this issue (ie. taking guys that will play RB and stashing them at a position they "also played and were recruited at", when the kid was vocal that he was going to X school to play Y position...), but I do think there is wiggle room along the OL... it's not as defined as say LB vs DB. Hell... even at DB, we have guys that could easily be grabbed as a CB or a S... or along the DL/LB corps, who defines whether that DE out of HS is a DE or an OLB... There is gray area here, but to explicitly grab only OTs without any concern for whether they have or might play interior is a little disingenuous as well. In my case, I tried to point out guys that while some services have them listed as OTs, why they very likely will be on the interior at the next level.
I would argue any "concern" for what position along the line they play is a shot in the dark guess if its based on anything more than depth chart.
And based on depth chart my first OL pick, Micah Clark is likely to play guard since Rutgers graduates both guards and returns both tackles. That said even if it was the opposite I still would of picked him. Realistically the odds of him playing as a freshman are slim anyway so even prejecting on depth chart is futile.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:05 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Skyler97 selects Scott Nelson, S Wisconsin
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:07 pm to jembeurt
GulfCoastBiased selects Justin Harris, DE Baylor
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:33 pm to GaytorHater703
Fair enough. I just think picking a Center that has next to no chance to start (there are only so many OCs that are even rated anyways, let alone highly enough to warrant a pick) vs picking an OT late to fill that spot shouldn't be that big of a deal. If I made all OT picks in the fist 10 rounds, fair enough, as those guys are much more likely to be locked in as OTs, but a guy that's maybe the 3rd best OT on his own team's recruiting class is likely to see time elsewhere.
Anywho, I try to balance my OL with some projected Interior and Exterior guys, but don't get too caught up with specific position... If they have upside as possible tackles, fine...
To take your example though, there were times last year where I saw CBs slotted at Safety... it happens. Hell, Deangelo Gibbs was rated as a CB recruit for most of his HS career before getting slotted in as a Safety. Everyone's making judgement calls. I try to give the benefit of the doubt until it's no longer warranted.
Fun for me either way! :) Not my problem if Verlander wants to have an asterisk draft class.
Anywho, I try to balance my OL with some projected Interior and Exterior guys, but don't get too caught up with specific position... If they have upside as possible tackles, fine...
To take your example though, there were times last year where I saw CBs slotted at Safety... it happens. Hell, Deangelo Gibbs was rated as a CB recruit for most of his HS career before getting slotted in as a Safety. Everyone's making judgement calls. I try to give the benefit of the doubt until it's no longer warranted.
Fun for me either way! :) Not my problem if Verlander wants to have an asterisk draft class.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Micah Clark
True. One article has him projected to a shite load of positions:
LINK
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The question is: What position will he play?
There is a reason why Clark was the most highly-coveted player in the state. He is so versatile he projects to a number of positions, including offensive guard, offensive tackle, center, defensive three technique, five technique and tight end.
If you look hard enough, most OL will project to multiple positions anyways, regardless of whether the Recruiting sites indicate it or not.
ETA: I'm not sure I buy he's a TE... but

ETA2: While we're on the subject, the article pretty much hits on exactly what we've been discussing:
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Coaches prefer to recruit linemen who can start out at tackle and kick inside to guard if tackle doesn't work out. And that's what Rutgers has with Vretman, who appears just athletic and technical enough to operate outside, yet probably projects best in a phone booth where he can utilize his brute strength, toughness and won't have to depend as much on mobility.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:40 pm to fibonaccisquared
quote:From what I have seen its usually the opposite the elite offensive lineman are likely to play multiple positions
If I made all OT picks in the fist 10 rounds, fair enough, as those guys are much more likely to be locked in as OTs, but a guy that's maybe the 3rd best OT on his own team's recruiting class is likely to see time elsewhere.
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