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re: TV mounted under gazebo

Posted on 10/7/22 at 9:04 am to
Posted by Sherman Klump
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 9:04 am to
Emailed you.
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Posted by BoogaBear
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:04 am to
Ouch, what you have there will feel like walking on a trampoline eventually.

Honestly the framing needs to be redone. Pavers are not support, at minimum it needs to be upgraded to deck blocks dug into the ground. I would go with 4x4s but that is just me.

2x4s cannot be used as joists, it would not pass inspection. I would upgrade to 2x6 joists and 16" centers.
Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:48 am to
Sorry if it seems like I’m piling on, but I definitely would not build anything over that until you get the deck corrected. Like others have said, 2x4 joists aren’t sufficient for this in any case, let alone with 30” spacing. Also, just sitting on top of those pavers, that thing is going to get termites or rot prematurely.

Is the same guy who did this supposed to build the structure? Have you paid him?
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 10:59 am
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:22 am to
I’m rolling with the 2x4s but spacing every 15inches. And going to put staggered blocking throughout.

Also going to do 12x12x6 squares of cement for the gazebo to mount to underneath the decking.

The structure is premade - just being out together. I paid for the deck but he is coming back to rip the boards up and add additional joisting/blocking/pavers and the cement boxes under the deck.

Are 2x4s a deal breaker?
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4556 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:29 am to
Pavers will be every 0,4,8,12 feet on the joists so 20+ additional pavers going down.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:53 pm to
Those changes will certainly help, but this is all still less than ideal. I don’t imagine the structure is going to be very heavy, so your footings will probably be okay, but how is all of this going to be anchored? If you’re in a storm-prone area, this thing is going to end up in Oz next time shite gets real.

Personally, I would re-build the deck properly before even thinking about putting something on top of it, but that might not be a workable option for you at this point.
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4556 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 3:00 pm to
I’ll the gazebo assembled is 900# and the deck has to be pretty heavy with all the boards, no? I wasn’t really worried about a hurricane lifting it up and if we get one of those lifetime storms, I guess it is what it is.

When you say properly, just using 2x6? I understand that’s what should have gone done but I’m already 1500 in with this frame etc
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 3:47 pm to
There's more than just one issue. 2x4s do not provide the support required to support any amount of weight. The frame itself is maybe a couple hundred pounds. You are having 2x4s, which aren't rated for joist use, support the weight of the deck boards, a 900lb structure, and then whatever you put on top of it.

The other issue is anchoring. You should have 6 or more 4x4 posts in concrete to support the structure. Minimally, deck blocks embedded into the ground.

Not sure where you're located but 1500 is high for what is being provided. Sitting on pavers you will also battle moisture issues, especially since the ground underneath was not prepped at all. Which will further the sagging issue. You will face cupping of your deck boards due to the moisture as well.

ETA for example. A 2x4 joist on 12" centers will have structure issues if your span is longer than 5.5 feet and will only support just shy of 1k lbs.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

When you say properly, just using 2x6


For starters, you’d either use 2x6 with a center sill and more footings— or go min. 2x8 to span the entire 12’, anchored to poured footings at the 4 corners and centers of the two 16’ spans, supporting doubled up rim joists with galvanized hangers on each joist @ 12 to 16” O/C. I’d also want any cut edges field treated with copper naphthenate or equivalent, especially since you don’t have any clearance to speak of b/w the ground and your joists.

quote:

I’m already 1500 in with this frame etc


I don’t want to sound too harsh, but the guy who built your deck has no business building a doghouse from what I’ve seen. The design and execution is wholly sub-standard. And I get it, you don’t want to cut your losses and have someone else come do it right. But how much was the pavilion? You’re about to compound the mistake by erecting a structure on an insufficient foundation. Pay now, or pay later. You can make cheap, fast fixes and hope for the best, or do it right and enjoy years of use.



Posted by lnomm34
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 4:00 pm to
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Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 4:46 pm to
Thanks. The guy has done very good work for people I know (sheds, etc). Think there was some miscommunication and some rushed work.

Getting s quote from him to redo the frame like you all have indicated.
Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 4:56 pm to
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Getting s quote from him to redo the frame like you all have indicated.


I hope you’re trolling.
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4556 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 5:20 pm to
we’ll I know y’all didn’t indicate him but I know this guy can do the job.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:17 pm to
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Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:13 pm to
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You have to be trolling. No one in their right mind would let this moron try again after what he’s already shown you.


The walls on my chicken coop have more wood than the frame of the deck I was trying to be nice but that's just unacceptable.
Posted by Mr Wonderful
Love City
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 12:50 pm to
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but I know this guy can do the job.

We all know “this guy” is you. No worthy contractor would put together that piece of shite. And no, you can’t do the job. You clearly have no clue what you’re doing. Why don’t you leave the construction projects to us men and go play golf or something.
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:15 pm to
I love that.
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4556 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:06 pm to
Alright. Redoing it all. Here’s the plan.

12x16 wood deck barely off ground
9 cement footings ~12-16in below surface, 3 rows 8 feet apart running along 16’ side and 6’ running along 12’ side. Do I sink the 4x4 in the cement footing or just attach on top of the footing with an anchor/bracket. What is best way to attach the outter boards to the posts? Bolts or I’ve seen notching. Want to make sure this is all part of the plan.

2x6x12 joists 16in off center attached with joist hangers. Wood deck screws everywhere.

Going back with same 5/4 deck boards.

Do I put the waterproof tape on top?
Do I need a center beam? If not, do I need more posts? Anything else I’m missing? Planning to attach gazebo on top of this.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 7:24 pm
Posted by lnomm34
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:09 pm to
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