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re: Start spraying Squash (Now) once a week
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:07 pm to boudinman
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:07 pm to boudinman
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Note this is for bifenthrin 25% that you cant buy. It's restricted use at this strength. But you can buy it at 7.9% strength which is 3 times WEAKER. So it can be used at 7.9% if its ok at 25%.
Every label of ever manufacturer I have looked at specifically says it cannot.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:16 pm to LegendInMyMind
Google and read the epa pdf guide for all bifenthrin 25.1%. Doesnt matter who manufacturers it by their brand name.
You buy and use whatever you like.
You buy and use whatever you like.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 8:01 pm to boudinman
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Doesnt matter who manufacturers it by their brand name.
But it does.
ETA: You advocated for the use of 7.9% Bifenthrin in your OP. That's what I'm interested in. That is what is not listed for use on food crops. Not just recommended against, but specifically stated not for use on food crops on the label.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 8:08 pm to LegendInMyMind
Ok. You buy tylenol. I'll buy it in the generic store brand.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 8:30 pm to boudinman
Bifen XTS 25.1% has a very similar label, but it omits entirely anything to do with food handling/prep areas (meaning it is in no way recommended for that purpose).
It also says this:
It also says this:
quote:
General Applications Instructions
Bifen XTS formulation mixes readily with water and other aqueous carriers, and controls listed insects and mites on
trees, shrubs, foliage plants, non-bearing fruit and nut trees, and flowers in interiorscapes including hotels, shopping
malls, office buildings, etc. and, outdoor plantscapes, including around residential dwellings, parks, institutional,
recreational, athletic fields, and home lawns. Non-bearing crops are perennial crops that will not produce a
harvestable raw agricultural commodity during the season of application
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 12:13 pm to LegendInMyMind
Bifenthrin 25% is sold through farmers cooperatives and those chemical companies list the various vegetables that it can be sprayed upon and the rates. This 25% is 3 times stronger than what you can buy off the shelf at 7.9%. I dont know what else to tell you other than 1 tsp of the 7.9% bifenthrin in 1 gallon water isnt a strong solution. Now dont mix the 7.9 % bifenthrin, at the recommended rate of 1 oz(2TBSP) per gallon of water to spray around the house, and spray this on your garden vegetables. Why? Because that would be 6X stronger than the 1 tsp (bifenthrin 7.9%) per gal of water I recommended for garden spraying.
Click on link. Scroll down the page to Insecticides and then click on Bifenthrin.
LINK
Click on link. Scroll down the page to Insecticides and then click on Bifenthrin.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 12:42 pm to boudinman
If you say so.
But, nowhere in any publicly-available literature that I have been able to find does it is say safe for food crops, it doesn't even list mixing instructions for different crop pests like every other insecticide doed. Every single label, including a lable for the 25% you mention, directly states not to be used on food crops.
You do you, though.
But, nowhere in any publicly-available literature that I have been able to find does it is say safe for food crops, it doesn't even list mixing instructions for different crop pests like every other insecticide doed. Every single label, including a lable for the 25% you mention, directly states not to be used on food crops.
You do you, though.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 12:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
You'll find a link listed above that should suffice.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:59 pm to boudinman
That still doesn't change the fact that every single consumer-level brand that uses Bifenthrin (at any strength) specifically states do not use on food crops. They are the same active ingredient at the same ratios.
There is not a chance in hell I would "spray down the whole garden" with it every couple of weeks as you suggested in the original post. Doing so would be against the label of pretty much every brand of it that you can buy off the shelf. And if you want to be a stickler for the law, that would be a Federal offense.
I've looked at a half dozen labels of various brands and strengths that are available for purchase (yes, even the 25% strength) and every single one specifically states not to apply to food crops. I don't think it is wise to tell people to apply something to their gardens that is specifically state not for that purpose.
And that's not even mentioning that you said you spray it in the morning on your squash, and presumably your entire garden, during active pollination, which is also advised against on the label of every single brand I checked.
There is not a chance in hell I would "spray down the whole garden" with it every couple of weeks as you suggested in the original post. Doing so would be against the label of pretty much every brand of it that you can buy off the shelf. And if you want to be a stickler for the law, that would be a Federal offense.
I've looked at a half dozen labels of various brands and strengths that are available for purchase (yes, even the 25% strength) and every single one specifically states not to apply to food crops. I don't think it is wise to tell people to apply something to their gardens that is specifically state not for that purpose.
And that's not even mentioning that you said you spray it in the morning on your squash, and presumably your entire garden, during active pollination, which is also advised against on the label of every single brand I checked.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:18 pm to LegendInMyMind
I have a private applicator card and buy the farm chemicals that are restricted use. I do my own pest control and have been for over 20 years. I try to not harm bees, but working daylight to dark most days., i spray when i can or it's needed. My vegetable garden encompasses 13 rows 100 ft long. I need coverage and spraying does that. Just picked my first squash of this season. 11 nice in size and none with any insect damage.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:24 pm to boudinman
Now, explain why every single consumer level product (including some that you say can't be bought by consumers) specifically states not to apply it to food crops.
Again, you are advocating for people to use something against its label (every label they, as a consumer, will ever see) in a way that is advised against on the same labels.
It sounds like you should be asking some questions that you just aren't willing to ask.
Again, you are advocating for people to use something against its label (every label they, as a consumer, will ever see) in a way that is advised against on the same labels.
It sounds like you should be asking some questions that you just aren't willing to ask.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:06 pm to LegendInMyMind
It's great you follow all labels. TSC sells Bonide 8 vegetable spray thats 2.5% permethrin. They also sell permethrin 10% for spraying barns and stables. The barn spray doesnt say anywhere on the label that it can be used on gardens. I can buy the 10% and dilute it by 4 and its the same exact product. Permethrin was one of the first generation sprays and has been out for years. Most insects are immune to it, and a 2.5% solution isnt going to protect your garden. Thats why I use bifenthrin.
If farmers do use a permethrin on crops. They use one that's 36-38 % strength. You can continue to buy the same generic chemical by label use. Buy bifenthrin 0.3% as Pet Armor house spray, or buy the bifenthrin 7.9% that says spray indoors or out. I doubt the 0.3 will eradicate the fleas like 7.9% strength will. Just dont spray bifenthrin on YOUR garden. I will on mine.
I bet you never have torn off the label on a mattress. The one that says Do Not Remove. Lol
If farmers do use a permethrin on crops. They use one that's 36-38 % strength. You can continue to buy the same generic chemical by label use. Buy bifenthrin 0.3% as Pet Armor house spray, or buy the bifenthrin 7.9% that says spray indoors or out. I doubt the 0.3 will eradicate the fleas like 7.9% strength will. Just dont spray bifenthrin on YOUR garden. I will on mine.
I bet you never have torn off the label on a mattress. The one that says Do Not Remove. Lol
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/24/24 at 8:39 am to boudinman
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I bet you never have torn off the label on a mattress. The one that says Do Not Remove. Lol
You're the man with a license advocating for shite that can and will get that license pulled.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:07 pm to boudinman
Those bastards got me good this year
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