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Open or closed cell spray insulation?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:47 pm
I’m building a metal building home. What should I use? Open or closed cell?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:51 pm to Stellytiger
Closed cell. It has a built in vapor barrier, so you don't have to worry about moisture between the sheets and insulation. It costs more than open cell but has a higher R value. I had 2" closed cell foam sprayed not long ago and the temperature difference from before it was sprayed to after was crazy.
ETA: It also adds rigidity to the sheets so its a lot stronger. BTW, I'm also in Arnaudville. If you need a good foam guy let me know. The guy I used did great work and price was unbeatable.
ETA: It also adds rigidity to the sheets so its a lot stronger. BTW, I'm also in Arnaudville. If you need a good foam guy let me know. The guy I used did great work and price was unbeatable.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:57 pm to RedBeardBaw
Yes sure send me his info
Posted on 4/4/19 at 3:10 pm to Stellytiger
It isn't a simple answer.
Closed Cell:
Closed cell foam provides higher R values per inch and is a bit better at sealing/infiltration depending on the depth of fill of the open cell you are comparing to. The biggest problem with closed cell is if you have wood studs. The expansion and contraction of wood will cause the closed cell foam to separate from the wood. this completely eliminates any infiltration advantage closed cell has as the years roll by. It is VERY rigid once sprayed. It is great when spraying on concrete or similar surfaces. It is VERY poor at sound dampening
Open cell:
Open cell has a lower R value per inch but it is much more forgiving. It is better at filling larger cavities. Once you get to 4"+ depth of open cell, it is just as good of a vapor barrier and infiltration sealer as closed cell. It moves with structures as they expand contract w/out being compromised. It is better at sound dampening but not great.
Personally, I would use neither in above ground framed walls. I like to used open cell in rim joist insulating applications. I like closed cell on basement walls.
I would recommend looking into blown insulation for your walls. Take dense packed cellulose for example. You can still get high R ratings and VERY good infiltration reduction but it also has the benefit of being much cheaper AND it is a very good sound dampener.
Spray foam isn't as great of an all around solution as some will portray. take the time to analyze all the choices. there really is no payback when talking above ground walls for spray foam compared to blown insulation.
Closed Cell:
Closed cell foam provides higher R values per inch and is a bit better at sealing/infiltration depending on the depth of fill of the open cell you are comparing to. The biggest problem with closed cell is if you have wood studs. The expansion and contraction of wood will cause the closed cell foam to separate from the wood. this completely eliminates any infiltration advantage closed cell has as the years roll by. It is VERY rigid once sprayed. It is great when spraying on concrete or similar surfaces. It is VERY poor at sound dampening
Open cell:
Open cell has a lower R value per inch but it is much more forgiving. It is better at filling larger cavities. Once you get to 4"+ depth of open cell, it is just as good of a vapor barrier and infiltration sealer as closed cell. It moves with structures as they expand contract w/out being compromised. It is better at sound dampening but not great.
Personally, I would use neither in above ground framed walls. I like to used open cell in rim joist insulating applications. I like closed cell on basement walls.
I would recommend looking into blown insulation for your walls. Take dense packed cellulose for example. You can still get high R ratings and VERY good infiltration reduction but it also has the benefit of being much cheaper AND it is a very good sound dampener.
Spray foam isn't as great of an all around solution as some will portray. take the time to analyze all the choices. there really is no payback when talking above ground walls for spray foam compared to blown insulation.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 3:21 pm to Stellytiger
TC's Top Foam Insulation. His name is Terry Chestnut - 337-446-1204. He did work for me and my neighbor and he'll be coming back to do more work in the next month or so in my outdoor kitchen. He can definitely point you in the right direction, whether its open or closed cell or just blown fiberglass.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 3:21 pm to notsince98
Very nice information. I stick framed it and wrapping in metal
Posted on 4/4/19 at 3:47 pm to Stellytiger
Posted on 4/4/19 at 4:01 pm to RedBeardBaw
That’s who I been talking to. Glad to know he does great work. I have heard he’s great and prices are great
Posted on 4/4/19 at 8:15 pm to Stellytiger
Matt Risinger loves closed cell. He also like Rockwool which is something to think about as a possible alternative or way to cut costs
Posted on 4/4/19 at 10:01 pm to notsince98
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Take dense packed cellulose for example. You can still get high R ratings and VERY good infiltration reduction but it also has the benefit of being much cheaper AND it is a very good sound dampener.
I’ve heard some local radio shows talk about how they wouldn’t recommend cellulose in humid climates. What’s your take?
Posted on 4/5/19 at 12:00 pm to Cdawg
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I’ve heard some local radio shows talk about how they wouldn’t recommend cellulose in humid climates. What’s your take?
Not an issue as long as vapor barrier is installed properly and in the correct location within the envelope system.
The envelope is a system. The siding, sheathing, vapor barrier, drywall, and of course insulation must be designed to work together for each varying climate. They will all impact each other.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 12:01 pm
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